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    That's how I feel at the moment. He's a perfect example of what I was talking about re: worrying about being duped and the emperor's new clothes. Also what you and entertainment were talking about re: am I not clever enough/not getting it or is it just bollocks?
    That never goes away with him. It's part of the overall effect.

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    It's like looking at some incredibly intricate object completely devoid of context. An alien artefact.

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    That's right. And that's quite interesting. There's nothing else remotely like it.

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    This is what I said when you brought up some of those lines before.

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    Juniper, moss agate, jurassic boredom glows in the empty waiting room.

    "jurassic boredom" struck me as an interesting pairing and "glows in the empty waiting room" had me picturing a waiting room flickering and glowing like an old TV with some sort of ancient boredom independent of people acting as a force on the room.

    searching the band for another station reveals new liassic beds near the previous shelf.

    "reveals new liassic beds" just rolls off the tongue, almost to the point where "new" and "liassic" sound like one word, and the full quote put me in mind of an old Actress interview where he talked about scanning for pirates in the car and only being able to get a scrambled broadcast of Lightning FM. That + "liassic beds" had me picturing being able to move backward in time via the dial, finding the ghosts of previous broadcasts and stations still operating in the gaps.

    They are zealots in the park all over.

    This one I'm not entirely sure about, something about the turn of phrase just grabbed me.

    He now drops the heavenly coin in the doorway.

    That the coin is "heavenly" and dropped in a doorway intrigued me. You've got money/currency combined with religious imagery and someone dropping/allowing it to fall whilst on the threshold of something, stood between two spaces. It's evocative and raises interesting questions.

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    of sanguine fire
    ("Outwash and Pie face across the table,
    synergic coils wound through the house of
    Mercury where they dwell.")
    a new tax on the counter-earth
    ("the stupid slow down and become wise with inertia
    and instantly the prospect of money is solemnised to
    the great landscape. It actually glows like a stream of
    evening sun, value become coinage fixed in the grass crown.")
    the ideal star fighter
    ("the eye converts the news image into fear enzyme")
    l'estase de .poher
    ("Rubbish is pertinent; essential; the most intricate presence
    in our entire culture; the ultimate sexual point of the whole place
    turned into a model question.")
    the kirghis diasters
    ("the muse in reckless theophany gives a familiar yell")
    the bee target on his shoulder
    ("do not love this man. He makes Fridays unbearable")
    a note on metal
    ("gradually the item-form becomes iconized...
    The metonymic unit is established, and number replaces
    strength or power as the chief assertion of presence")
    chemins de fer
    john in the blooded phoenix
    a stone called nothing
    ("the lights dip as the driver presses the starter
    and the bus pulls away to leave for the moonstruck
    fields of the lower paid.")
    questions for the time being
    ("as Wyndham Lewis tried so fiercely to explain")
    thoughts on the esterhazy court uniform
    ("the place is entirely musical. No person can live there")

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    aristeas, in seven years
    ("and sprang with that double twist into the
    middle world and thence took flight over the
    Scythian hordes and to the Hyperborean,
    touch of the north wind
    carrying with him Apollo.")
    the common gain, reverted
    ("the nomad is perfect but the pure motion
    which has no track is utterly lost")
    on the matter of thermal packing
    ("the skin porous to the eloquence of")
    first notes on daylight
    ("we owe that in theory to the history of person
    as an entire condition of landscape")
    the glacial question, unsolved
    ("we live in that question, it is a condition of fact")
    bronze : fish
    ("that's the human city, & we are
    now at the edge of it. Which way
    are we facing. Burn the great sphere:
    count them, days of the week.")
    moon poem
    ("the night is already quiet and I am
    bound in the rise and fall: learning
    to wish always for more. This is the
    means, the extension to keep very steady
    so that the culmination will be silent too and flow
    with no trace of devoutness")
    the western gate
    ("the formal circuit is inclusion. the line runs
    inflected but the shapes are blue & shining.
    It is the orbit, tides, the fluctual spread,
    we shiver with reason and with love:")
    in the long run, to be stranded
    ("it's time or more clearly
    the sequence of year; a thickening in the words
    as the coins themselves wear thin")

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    I think what makes it so difficult is that they're real words, they read like actual sentences, but they're just not in any order I've ever seen before. I feel like I'm being simultaneously pushed and pulled because it's encouraging me to read them as I would anything else, but they don't conform to a pattern that allows me to. With Finnegans Wake, there's a sort of musicality to it. With this, it's almost like reading an academic paper where all the words fell off the page and someone hurriedly stuck them back on wherever they could.

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    Right. The first thing you're forced to do is search for a way of reading it, not that yields meaning necessarily, but that allows the poem to work on you in some way or other. Often some act of violence seems to being done to the sentence. The idea of the sentence which takes you by the hand and leads you on a walk from start to finish. Points out the sights.

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    Didn't you say you'd emailed or spoken to him before?

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    I sent him vegetable empire and got a letter in return. I sent him prediction tablet and got a letter in return. They're amazing letters. Much like the poems really. There's not a straightforward phrase in them.

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    Did you get the impression he liked them?

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    When I opened the first one I got and realised who it was from I threw it down like it was burning. The shock was so great. It's the most startling thing that's ever happened to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    Did you get the impression he liked them?
    Yeah. I think so. I like to think so. The tone is positive.

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    I've got that reading of Vegetable Empire on atm. Very good. I don't usually like people reading things, but it works. The sound effects too, love the water.

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