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    Quote Originally Posted by empty mirror View Post
    ^ agreed. the film lacks the humor of the book.
    Exactly. Far too serious without any sort of appreciation of its limits. El Topo's certainly better, but I'll have to confess that I don't understand the awe in which some people hold Jodorowsky.

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    Wait, are you guys saying Holy Mountain isn't funny? I thought it was hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomadthesecond View Post
    Wait, are you guys saying Holy Mountain isn't funny? I thought it was hilarious!
    There's plenty of absurdity, not enough levity.

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    Hmm yes some of the funny parts felt unintentionally funny. But then I haven't read the book, is it good?

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    this thread has got me thinking about aphex twin's druqks. i remember some hype around the time of its release suggesting that he lost his mp3 player with hundreds of unreleased tracks during a plane journey. this prompted him to release druqks before they hit the web. it does sound like proper aphex bollox though.

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    Well it's maybe 150 pages and uncompleted, as Daumal had tuberculosis and died in the midst of writing it... but those few pages are great. Fantastic concepts but rather silly at the same time... I imagine it being written rather joyfully unlike HM, which despite it's psychedelic tinge seems to me to've come from a coked out fury

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    Quote Originally Posted by trouc View Post
    Well it's maybe 150 pages and uncompleted, as Daumal had tuberculosis and died in the midst of writing it... but those few pages are great. Fantastic concepts but rather silly at the same time... I imagine it being written rather joyfully unlike HM, which despite it's psychedelic tinge seems to me to've come from a coked out fury
    Agreed, or maybe even a prolonged state of amphetamine psychosis...like someone who'd been awake for a few too many days...

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    The 2nd book of Dead Souls wasn't going too well, though, was it? Certainly not, judging by what was left of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenks View Post
    There was a lovely McSweeneys a while back that got writers to write stories that Fitzgerald had outlined in his notebooks - most of them were just a title or a one line idea.
    do you have a link for this?

    would love to read some of them, even if they were only titles/one lines.

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    Another one - Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible, part 3 - parts of which were filmed, and then later destroyed, but the filming of which was interrupted by the director's death.
    To take it one stage further, in Underworld (DeLillo) there is an imaginary lost Eisenstein film which is found and shown.

    "Artaud also had a theatrical project, entitled "The Conquest of Mexico" which he never got off the ground. But which I think parts of El Topo (or is the Holy Mountain?) are quite reminiscent of - especially the scenes of the conquest restaged as an invasion of war-frogs."
    That's in The Holy Mountain.

    "There's plenty of absurdity, not enough levity."
    You don't think it's funny when he goes "You are your own master now - cut off my head"?
    Either way I ought to get round to reading the book that's for sure.

    Mangled films are another whole kettle of fish. I read somewhere that all the Paradjanov films had loads (literally hours) of extra footage and he had to basically create something out of what he had that would be acceptable to the authorities. I believe that one of his films had an entire gay storyline that was cut out of it.
    Interesting to speculate about how different a film could have been with different editing. The classic one for this is Caligula I think. Brass took his name off the film as it was edited so much by the producers (he said he wanted to make a film about the orgy of power but they changed it to being a film about the power of orgy - whatever that means) and then it was further heavily censored differently in various countries so you had several different versions. I got the box set out of the video library the other day and there were about five different versions of the film in there - the one I watched was the longest and had, I think, all the footage that was available to insert - plus a load of extra hardcore porn that was shot later inserted just for good measure. Impossible to work out what the film actually should have been, it's hidden behind all the ones that came out I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdleRich View Post
    snip/To take it one stage further, in Underworld (DeLillo) there is an imaginary lost Eisenstein film which is found and shown.
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    ha yeah.

    Infinite Jest revolves around the Mad Stork's lost film of the same name (as the book).

    EDIT: But really----is anything really lost? or just in the wrong hands. or in the wrong place or time. it is all about context and one's expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empty mirror View Post
    Invisible Man may be my nearest and dearest novel ever.
    When you wrote this I was reminded that I'd never read it yet, and I just finished it. What a totally amazing, amazing novel. It's one of the most violent things I've ever read, on a par with Lautreamont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josef k. View Post
    And then, there are vast numbers of uncompleted projects from the history of architecture, for obvious reasons. Tatlin's Monument to the Third International is amongst the most famous of these.
    Yeah, that's a good one. Would love to have seen that built. Bruno Taut's crystal architecture for the alps is my own favourite uncompleted 'building'. Pure unadulterated utopianism. Edwin Lutyen's Liverpool Cathedral is a close second. Gibberd's wigwam rots with concrete cancer in a small corner of its surviving foundations after building was halted by the Second World War. It'd have made St Peters look like a wigwam. Piranesi would have sprung alive just to masturbate in the narthex.
    ** pandemonium ad asbo **

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    Quote Originally Posted by josef k. View Post
    This is Benjamin's archives of notes. There are rumors - perhaps apocryphal - that Benjamin completed a manuscript and then lost it, but this has never been proved.
    plus you have the Baudelaire/Poe essays, which might be considered part of that cycle (all of it was unpublished from what i understand, several hundred maybe 1000 pages worth). but that was Benjamin's technique. The recent collected writings series, which has many of the unpublished fragments, is the best collection of his writings imo. Each book covers around 5 years.

    i have a .pdf version of the Arcades Project which is about 50-60 MBs

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    I can add to the unrealized list the book which one of the characters is writing in Camus's The Plague, which he never gets past the first sentence of. Also, there is Malcolm Lowry's "The Voyage that Never Ends" which ended with his suicide. And then there was the massive philosophical poem which Wordsworth and Coleridge planned but never executed. And Sartre's Flaubert book, which he never got off the ground.

    But as a side note, I think lost books are generally more interesting than unfinished books. Rarer. Any hack can fail to finish something, but it takes a real genius to do it, then lose it.

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