rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread

Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I don't mind that Joy Orbison remix of whatsherface. It's nothing amazing but it's alright. I like that ''Ellipsis'' tune too.

Thing is I think he's basically just a house producer. He's never much more exciting than that, but I don't think he's trying to be.

Generally when I go to a house night/event the music is pretty lacking in WTF but it creates dancefloor excitement.

SO FUCK IT.

But in underground music we demand forward momentum and aggressive energy (which is good) and so producers like Joy Orbison bore us senseless with their nice chords and steady lifts.

I'm being facetious... still, I think the fact that house is now such a big influence on underground UK music is a double-edged sword, to vaguely hint at something the least.
 
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trilliam

Well-known member
Corpsey said:
But in underground music we demand forward momentum and aggressive energy (which is good) and so producers like Joy Orbison bore us senseless with their nice chords and steady lifts.

I'm being facetious... still, I think the fact that house is now such a big influence on underground UK music is a double-edged sword, to vaguely hint at something the least.
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what're you hinting at
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I wasn't really hinting at anything, actually. I don't know why I used the word 'hint'. It was more as in: ''there's the slightest hint of an interesting/uninteresting idea emerging in my head''. In any case, I stamped out the faintly flickering flame quickly.

I really love house music (well, I don't really LISTEN to it but when I go out and dance to it...) - a Fred P set this year was one of my favourites. Sven Weisemann a few weeks ago in Bristol was pretty great for the first twenty minutes. There's something very warm and... embracing about (I suppose I'm really talking about DEEP) house, even the way you become carried away and enveloped by the groove of it. Its such perfect MDMA music... I suppose my perspective on things is influenced by the fact that (like a LOT of ''post-dubstep'' DJs/producers/fans) I came to house late, AFTER drum n bass and dubstep (which led to garage which led to house). I wonder if this has something to do with...well, the fact that I don't really understand house. Why in many ways its not a comfortable fit. I still find it, ultimately, a bit boring.

Anyways, don't pay attention to anything I say about dance music nowadays (if you ever did). I'm not really in it anymore. I'm opining for the sake of opining. Drawing up a chart of the 'decline' of dance music to explain the more general (and real?) decline of my interest and engagement in it.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Corpsey, by all means, keep 'opining' away.

Talk on dissensus about this has had me worrying about my own nation, and how much it's reduced itself to fairly uninspiring UK-influenced fetishism. Which is cool and all, but I think a healthy bit of jingoism is more necessary than ever. I also have theories as to how to fix it, but it's SOOOO pretentious and far reaching. Doesn't mean I might not be wrong.
 
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bob effect

somnambulist
Corpsey said:
I wasn't really hinting at anything, actually. I don't know why I used the word 'hint'. It was more as in: ''there's the slightest hint of an interesting/uninteresting idea emerging in my head''. In any case, I stamped out the faintly flickering flame quickly.

I really love house music (well, I don't really LISTEN to it but when I go out and dance to it...) - a Fred P set this year was one of my favourites. Sven Weisemann a few weeks ago in Bristol was pretty great for the first twenty minutes. There's something very warm and... embracing about (I suppose I'm really talking about DEEP) house, even the way you become carried away and enveloped by the groove of it. Its such perfect MDMA music... I suppose my perspective on things is influenced by the fact that (like a LOT of ''post-dubstep'' DJs/producers/fans) I came to house late, AFTER drum n bass and dubstep (which led to garage which led to house). I wonder if this has something to do with...well, the fact that I don't really understand house. Why in many ways its not a comfortable fit. I still find it, ultimately, a bit boring.
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House is the dance music genre you get into last.
 
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sgn

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CrowleyHead said:
Corpsey, by all means, keep 'opining' away.

Talk on dissensus about this has had me worrying about my own nation, and how much it's reduced itself to fairly uninspiring UK-influenced fetishism. Which is cool and all, but I think a healthy bit of jingoism is more necessary than ever. I also have theories as to how to fix it, but it's SOOOO pretentious and far reaching. Doesn't mean I might not be wrong.
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Come on, don't leave us hanging like that.
 
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SecondLine

Well-known member
all about far reaching theories. Very intrigued by the rouges foam book coming next month. I was slightly intrigued and then I read the testimonial...

"A timely analysis of musical evolution at a moment when many practitioners have become fixated on the past and thinkers have found themselves unable to locate possible futures."
Steve Goodman,author of Sonic Warfare: Sound, Affect, and the Ecology of Fear

http://www.zero-books.net/book/detail/1119/Infinite-Music

retromania vaccine?
 
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CrowleyHead

Well-known member
I still have to discuss it with a friend and fellow 'westerner' before I start spouting it off, but let's just say I'd have to basically turn one genre's mini-movement into a more 'dance music' movement via brainwashing.

Now that's REALLY intriguing, ain't it?
 
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sgn

Well-known member
I'm pretty sure I have no idea what you're talking about, but yes...yes, it does sound intriguing.

Until then:

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The rhythm on this is insane. Heard a clip of it ages back in a 2562 set, so I'm guessing he made it before his move into straight up techno. Really wish he would stick to stuff like this.
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
Corpsey said:
I suppose my perspective on things is influenced by the fact that (like a LOT of ''post-dubstep'' DJs/producers/fans) I came to house late, AFTER drum n bass and dubstep (which led to garage which led to house).
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This is one of my central issues with a lot of ex-dubstep people "going house." House was about 20 years deep when dubstep blew up in 2006. So if you're all about house now, why weren't you then?

This is entirely skewed by my personal experience, based on the fact that I have lots of house records and had herd the genre so got into early dubstep fully knowing about house (and not wanting to be a house DJ/producer), but still... house is hardly a niche dance genre, right? It's the biggest, most commercial, most international genre.

Anyway, this matters little but still... am with Corpsey on the "boring" bit, in most cases. (UK funky, is entirely different matter of course).
 
Slothrop

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
I dunno, sometimes it does take a bit of a prod to get you digging into something that you hadn't really listened to before. And sometimes you do end up thinking 'holy shit, why have I been sleeping on this stuff for so long'.

It only becomes a problem when being on trend becomes a substitute for being interesting or good.
 
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