should israel be dissolved?
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droid
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LOL, are you serious Luka? Seems like you have more in common with K-Punk than I thought.
FYI, Ive never claimed to be an 'authority' on anything. Most of my background on Israel comes from years of reading due to a pointless obsession with the politics of the region.
I dont really want to be patronising or play into the hands of abusive idiocy here but its impossible.
Pick up your toys, get back in your pram and fuck off before you make even more of a total fool out of yourself.
luka
Well-known member
DRIOD i dont really want to do nothing with you cos we done that too many times... we rub each other up the wrong way... we dont like each other, but we know it, and we mostly avoid clashing now cos we know and thats great, so lets leave it.
i beleive a one state solution is the way to go but i dont get on a soapbox cos what the fuck do i know.
i beleive a one state solution is the way to go but i dont get on a soapbox cos what the fuck do i know.
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droid
Guest
Actually Luka, the only time I have a problem with you is when you start acting like a twat which is what you're doing here. You earned my respect when you were the only person here with the balls to take on the original Padraig when he was being backed up by the Dissensus intelligentsia.
A one state solution does not require the dissolution of Israel, and you certainly didn't make it clear that this is what you were on about anyway.
The reason I called for you to delete the thread is that it came across as being a thoughtless, emotional, provocative and reactionary call fro the destruction of Israel, your reluctance to elaborate or debate only increases that perception.
A one state solution does not require the dissolution of Israel, and you certainly didn't make it clear that this is what you were on about anyway.
The reason I called for you to delete the thread is that it came across as being a thoughtless, emotional, provocative and reactionary call fro the destruction of Israel, your reluctance to elaborate or debate only increases that perception.
luka
Well-known member
i think it does in that one state is not a jewish state. its a secular state. two state means you have too many problems around say, jerusalem etc.
the title of the thread is there to be eye catching and provacactive and to register my emotional response, which is, essentially, fuck israel, what a bunch of cunts. i cant beleive they just did that. so yes, it was certainly an emotional response and i make no apologies for that.
yeah you had my back with the irish padraig and i still remember that and am grateful for that. like i said i dont want to get into beef with you again.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
well, luka.
like Droid, I'm not claiming to be an "authority" but I am pretty certain that I'm better informed, if only on this, than you or most non-Israelis/Palestinians, only b/c I have good reason to be: I have family, including my dad, in Israel; I know at least half a dozen people who've done ISM or similar work in the Territories; my stepdad was president of the local chapter of Peace Now when I was growing up; and so on. it's something that's been a rather big part of my life, in one way or another, since I was very small. mostly I wish it wasn't. for me it's generally an endless, gutwrenching, tremendously complicated emotional reaction, punctuated by terrible moments like this or hearing about my friend getting shot. I wish more than anybody I could snap my fingers & they'd just magically come to an equitable solution, but's it just not that easy.
yunno, I'm not asking you (or anyone) to write a freaking dissertation before you can voice your opinion, I'm just saying: if you're gonna say that's clearly inflammatory, if that's your honest emotional reaction, fine, but to make these decrees & then act like you're above other people's honest emotional reactions to what you said, that's just so condescending, & infuriating. anyway, again like Droid, I think you're a pretty interesting dude & I usually enjoy reading what you have to say, & if I didn't think you were worth it I wouldn't bother saying anything. I said all that cos you really f**king pissed me off, and I really think you know better. I mean for crissakes you're a poet - you know better than most people (better than me, most likely) the power words have. so call me all the names you want - sticks & stones & all that - I just ask you do me the same favor I try to do you of trying to engage w/what you have to say.
like Droid, I'm not claiming to be an "authority" but I am pretty certain that I'm better informed, if only on this, than you or most non-Israelis/Palestinians, only b/c I have good reason to be: I have family, including my dad, in Israel; I know at least half a dozen people who've done ISM or similar work in the Territories; my stepdad was president of the local chapter of Peace Now when I was growing up; and so on. it's something that's been a rather big part of my life, in one way or another, since I was very small. mostly I wish it wasn't. for me it's generally an endless, gutwrenching, tremendously complicated emotional reaction, punctuated by terrible moments like this or hearing about my friend getting shot. I wish more than anybody I could snap my fingers & they'd just magically come to an equitable solution, but's it just not that easy.
yunno, I'm not asking you (or anyone) to write a freaking dissertation before you can voice your opinion, I'm just saying: if you're gonna say that's clearly inflammatory, if that's your honest emotional reaction, fine, but to make these decrees & then act like you're above other people's honest emotional reactions to what you said, that's just so condescending, & infuriating. anyway, again like Droid, I think you're a pretty interesting dude & I usually enjoy reading what you have to say, & if I didn't think you were worth it I wouldn't bother saying anything. I said all that cos you really f**king pissed me off, and I really think you know better. I mean for crissakes you're a poet - you know better than most people (better than me, most likely) the power words have. so call me all the names you want - sticks & stones & all that - I just ask you do me the same favor I try to do you of trying to engage w/what you have to say.
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
lol, Infected mushroom are here at the weekend, there's talk of a boycott
four_five_one
Infinition
Dissolved into what?
Dr Awesome
Techsteppin'
A free state run by the league of nations.
go with it man. if you need supplies or ammo just holler
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droid
Guest
LOL, and its understandable, but (and this is just my opinion), I think you were way over the top towards Padraig and you owe him an apology, especially after his last message.
I saw your deleted post on the Iranian hostage thread as well btw...
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Some sort of fractious, ludicrously well-armed, Jewish soup, one would imagine.
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vimothy
yurp
I think there is an interesting point in here somewhere (I can admit to feeling a small pang of guilt). But isn't this really what everyone does, especially the journalists, whom we're all reading? Even the "experts" are mostly people who've just read more about you in a particular area.
vimothy
yurp
How do you know something anyway?
You read and you discuss. In a professional setting you practice (after you've spent a lot of time reading and discussing). An "expert" is someone who has been doing this longer than you (relatively speaking).
And how do you evaluate professional or expert knowledge? Again, you read and you discuss.
You read and you discuss. In a professional setting you practice (after you've spent a lot of time reading and discussing). An "expert" is someone who has been doing this longer than you (relatively speaking).
And how do you evaluate professional or expert knowledge? Again, you read and you discuss.
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