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gumdrops

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CrowleyHead said:
Funny, when you bring up someone who's suburban and trying too hard, you instantly parallel KMD-era Doom. Just saying!
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i suppose im being a bit flippant in saying only shock rap is suburban, which isnt right. cos you had de la, kmd, LONS and so on who were suburban (i love them all incidentally) but not really out to shock or anything, they were just more laid back/whimsical/playful etc but def not 'soft'. i dont think kmd were ever trying too hard? :confused:

anyone new to doom should check out the operation doomsday album.

did not expect lil silva to be remixing odd future but the beat is cool, it just has no relation to the vocal. and it makes me hate tylers voice too.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Depends on how you look at it. I lived in the Long Island neighborhood KMD were from, and it was incredibly integrated and hardly racist. Except the 'then' Zed who was rapping at the time I was a kid apparently really needed 5% philosophy to defend himself from things either I never picked up on or from HIS childhood. All those Brand Nubian collaborations showed that, IMO, KMD were trying to be more 'urban' than they were, as opposed to De La branching out from The Jungle Bros/ATCQ formula and getting more 'middle-class' in their approach (notice Busta was there too, during that transition from the Leaders Of The New School arty persona into an eventual dumbed-down hip-hop parody act where he shouts meaningless 5% lingo and pretends to have sold drugs in Brooklyn as a teen, instead of living in fucking LI). The Doom persona is also a mess of urban/suburban, the comic book imagery married to a 'homeless' persona and his 'B-Boy Thugisms' in an attempt to both keep it real and escape reality.
 
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petergunn

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CrowleyHead said:
Depends on how you look at it. I lived in the Long Island neighborhood KMD were from, and it was incredibly integrated and hardly racist. Except the 'then' Zed who was rapping at the time I was a kid apparently really needed 5% philosophy to defend himself from things either I never picked up on or from HIS childhood. All those Brand Nubian collaborations showed that, IMO, KMD were trying to be more 'urban' than they were, as opposed to De La branching out from The Jungle Bros/ATCQ formula and getting more 'middle-class' in their approach (notice Busta was there too, during that transition from the Leaders Of The New School arty persona into an eventual dumbed-down hip-hop parody act where he shouts meaningless 5% lingo and pretends to have sold drugs in Brooklyn as a teen, instead of living in fucking LI). The Doom persona is also a mess of urban/suburban, the comic book imagery married to a 'homeless' persona and his 'B-Boy Thugisms' in an attempt to both keep it real and escape reality.
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aren't Brand Nubian from New Rochelle?

i think Busta is a much better example than Doom, as he really has tried to play the tough guy card... Doom has, for better or for worse, spent most of his public life coming off as someone who is more than a tad fucked up and confused... sorta like john lennon, one of those creative people who's always looking for something, whether booze or dr york...

b/w

the more i see Tyler interviewed, the more he comes off as a hipper yet blander eminem clone:

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luka

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not realy interestd in death grips or tyler. quite like this tho.

this one is good too but im mostly posting it becasu of how much i love the video. its the video of the year in my humble.

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gumdrops

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i gave in. i sort of like the goblin album now. still stand by what i said before tho. and its much too long. i dont have time for that much tyler in my life.
 
luka

luka

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PLEASE POST YOUTIBE LINKS OF THE HIGHLIGHTS SO I DONT HAVE TO WASTE MY TIME WADING THORUGH IT cheers
 
dd528

dd528

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Anyone catch the Black Star/Rakim/De La Soul gig at the Hammersmith Apollo last week? I made the gig up here at the Academy in Manchester, but De La Soul got held up down south so never made it. Was just curious to know what anyone who saw them thought of their performance.

For my money Rakim was pretty good (his skill as an MC can't ever really be in question can it?), but seemed a little..unpractised..live? Maybe he's just getting on a bit. And talented though his DJ clearly was, he was no Eric B.

Black Star on the other hand were everything I was hoping for and more. They were energetic, very charismatic (Mos Def especially), and played a great range of songs..stuff off the Black Star album and new and old solo stuff from both of them. Great energy in the crowd too, especially for the call and response stuff. When the beat for Respiration dropped and the crowd went mental you'd have struggled to prise the ear-to-ear grin off my face!

Gutted to have missed out on De La Soul though. Some other time, hopefully.
 
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Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
If I hear another person reference MF Doom while they are criticizing another totally different rapper, I'm just going to start slapping people until I reach your face.
 
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