Really struggling with this stuff now. After initial enthusiasm I've gone a bit cold on it.
Listening to lots and lots of mixes but rarely finding one that makes me want to keep coming back to it.
The desire to fit into the mainstream house scene is leading to some dull tunes and attitudes. With Funky as my main frame of reference, I don't hear as much of the 'happy mistakes' whereby producers have a go at imitating but get it wrong in a fresh way. A few tunes to my ears just sound like poorly produced copies, without so much personality or character. I suspect this is closely related to a general increase in production knowledge from the ex-funky guys and those around them.
Having said that, there are still some 'ard tunes around, and some great mixes. I've listened to the Aaron Vybe and Perch mix around 10 times, which rarely happens with a mix for me. The KG3 tunes and Strange Static stuff is great too, would love to get my hands on those beats. I felt a bit disappointed about how conservative some people's reactions were to that Aaron Vybe mix because I see those tendencies as pushing the music more into the incredibly-crowded, and less-inspiring middleground. Personally, I'd prefer the scene to quickly implode in a rush of manic creativity and originality, even if it ends up getting fucked by MCs or whoever rather than drag out in an effort to maintain it. The desire to preserve and maintain longevity has shown itself time and time again to be a dead-end for originality.
@NATO - sort of sounds like you're playing devils advocate a bit. Stirring up debate and what not. I get what you are saying but we have already been through these same points before. I guess you should be looking to Juke if you want something more original sounding. I just can't get into it enough though. Can't dance it to it easily like you can with House.
I need to go back and listen to that Aaron Vybe set again. Only listened once and not all the way through. In the same way you say we already have House though we also already have Funky / Grime.
What I've always wanted to happen is for there to be a buzz and nationwide action like there was back in 88 and 91-92. With the Garage / Grime / Funky / Bassline people focusing on making House now we are getting very close to getting the music how it was back then. What would be also good would be if it didn't suddenly fizzle out or implode but instead continue but without losing it's edge.
Really struggling with this stuff now. After initial enthusiasm I've gone a bit cold on it.
Listening to lots and lots of mixes but rarely finding one that makes me want to keep coming back to it.
The desire to fit into the mainstream house scene is leading to some dull tunes and attitudes. With Funky as my main frame of reference, I don't hear as much of the 'happy mistakes' whereby producers have a go at imitating but get it wrong in a fresh way. A few tunes to my ears just sound like poorly produced copies, without so much personality or character. I suspect this is closely related to a general increase in production knowledge from the ex-funky guys and those around them.
Having said that, there are still some 'ard tunes around, and some great mixes. I've listened to the Aaron Vybe and Perch mix around 10 times, which rarely happens with a mix for me. The KG3 tunes and Strange Static stuff is great too, would love to get my hands on those beats. I felt a bit disappointed about how conservative some people's reactions were to that Aaron Vybe mix because I see those tendencies as pushing the music more into the incredibly-crowded, and less-inspiring middleground. Personally, I'd prefer the scene to quickly implode in a rush of manic creativity and originality, even if it ends up getting fucked by MCs or whoever rather than drag out in an effort to maintain it. The desire to preserve and maintain longevity has shown itself time and time again to be a dead-end for originality.
i liked that aaron vybe mix some nice fruity loops sounding beats on there, host was alright in doses but 2 hours is alot of hosting..
true im starting to see alot more generic tunes, some from djs just starting out some others just tryna bang out tunes, these things happen
Right now the scene is constantly changing, an element of less vocals and more instrumentals has become more common, I’m not sure why. The energy is growing as more people are interacting with house music, regardless of their preferred genre of house. It’s becoming like an infection as the music is growing, the music is becoming more charged, more skippy, opening a door for producers to be more creative.
@ Continuum - that's not the case at all. I just wanted to share my thoughts in the hope that someone might say something that re-kindles my enthusiasm a bit. I do appreciate the implication that stirring up debate about music on Dissensus might not be a good thing, though .
I'm sorry to ask you peeps to go over some old ground, but for me it's different from before because I actually like the music.
Point taken about Funky/Grime - couldn't/shouldn't expect it to be the same.
Your last point touches on something that I meant to mention in my post, but forgot to, which is that I think the fact I'm based in Shanghai and not able to be on the front line, doesn't help things.
@trilliam - Perch does get a bit jarring on that, although I'm good at blocking things out so don't notice so much
I don't understand the fruity loop beats comment. There's no way to tell what daw someone is using from a tune, maybe you were getting at something else? To my ears the SS productions sound considerably better than a lot of B3 Edwards' tunes, the ones I heard at the tail end of last year at least. Professional mastering has worked wonders for him. I suspect what you're hearing is the difference between mastered/unmastered as I'm guessing SS's beats haven't been mastered yet.
I don't get the Neil Young reference; I only listen to BANG BANG BANG BANG music made by machines. Disagree though - things do sometimes implode quickly in a burst of creativity, doesn't have to be romantic though.
Anyway, cheers for sharing your thoughts.
This tune has been in sets for a while it seems. The vocal is delightfully shit:
I don't understand the fruity loop beats comment. There's no way to tell what daw someone is using from a tune, maybe you were getting at something else?
Is that true? Thought different programs have slightly different sonic signatures, often due to the inbuilt synths, compressors etc etc. "Fruity Loops production" instantly conjures a number of things to mind for me!
Speaking of which, do any of the producers on here have any idea where to start getting that echo-y deep-tech bass on massive? :S it's eluding me...
As a bit of a side-bar to the above conversation, I was intrigued by continumm's comment about Juke cos it makes me wonder if there's house being made that uses samples like juke does at the moment and if not, why not? I agree that juke is great but (for me) lacks that natural danceability that e.g. jungle has.
Really struggling with this stuff now. After initial enthusiasm I've gone a bit cold on it.
Listening to lots and lots of mixes but rarely finding one that makes me want to keep coming back to it.
The desire to fit into the mainstream house scene is leading to some dull tunes and attitudes. With Funky as my main frame of reference, I don't hear as much of the 'happy mistakes' whereby producers have a go at imitating but get it wrong in a fresh way. A few tunes to my ears just sound like poorly produced copies, without so much personality or character. I suspect this is closely related to a general increase in production knowledge from the ex-funky guys and those around them.
Having said that, there are still some 'ard tunes around, and some great mixes. I've listened to the Aaron Vybe and Perch mix around 10 times, which rarely happens with a mix for me. The KG3 tunes and Strange Static stuff is great too, would love to get my hands on those beats. I felt a bit disappointed about how conservative some people's reactions were to that Aaron Vybe mix because I see those tendencies as pushing the music more into the incredibly-crowded, and less-inspiring middleground. Personally, I'd prefer the scene to quickly implode in a rush of manic creativity and originality, even if it ends up getting fucked by MCs or whoever rather than drag out in an effort to maintain it. The desire to preserve and maintain longevity has shown itself time and time again to be a dead-end for originality.
This might drive people mad because this same debate's been all over the thread before, but I hear what you're saying on this. I listen to a lot of the mixes and follow a lot of the artists that have been mentioned throughout this thread. But I still feel like I'm only dipping into it, because I'm listening in search of the (to my ears) more standout sounding bits. I'm following it half-hoping that tracks as different as All Around, Wet Dollars, Know My Name, etc are going to become the norm in deep tech, or that people are going to move away from g-house and try bringing in some more intense/experimental sounds. But then I don't think that's the right attitude to approach it with and maybe it just means I haven't done enough digging thru tracks for myself.
Trilliam's linked to it above but definitely check out Paul Robinson's mix if you haven't already
He seems like he's really got the potential to bring some unexpected shit to the table.
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