Nationalism, immigration and racism in the EU

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Did it, though? The latest polls, even after Trump's guilty verdict, are still showing him and Biden neck and neck, which, given the 'shy Trump voter' phenomenon and the inbuilt pro-Relublican bias in the electoral college system, means Trump is very likely to win in November.

It did. You can't just jump from it being overturned to current polling on Trump. There've been elections between then and now which were influenced by the Supreme Court decision, e.g. the 2022 midterms.

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[0bleak]

the midterms seem to be a regular swing away from who last got elected though
i guess the more angry side shows up more then?

 

[germaphobian]

You could easily say that this was a single-issue election where only topic that really mattered was mass scale immigration - that's why all the right wing gains obviously.
In countries where it isn't such a hot topic, like, for example, Denmark which still tightly controls and limits its immigration, rightists didn't really have a leg to stand on.

 

[yyaldrin]

immigration has been the single-issue topic for the last twenty years at least

 

[shakahislop]

most of the right-wing vote in france was because @woops is there and they want him out. everything else is a soros smokescreen

 

[germaphobian]

immigration has been the single-issue topic for the last twenty years at least

True, but it's palpably intensifying; especially with young voters, AfD, for example, got most of their votes from zoomers and millenials as far as I understand.

 

[germaphobian]

And let's be honest, twenty years ago immigration wasn't the same as it is today.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Did it, though? The latest polls, even after Trump's guilty verdict, are still showing him and Biden neck and neck, which, given the 'shy Trump voter' phenomenon and the inbuilt pro-Relublican bias in the electoral college system, means Trump is very likely to win in November.

He was very likely to win last time when they were three quarters of the way through the count, so don't give up hope yet!

 

[mixed_biscuits]

immigration has been the single-issue topic for the last twenty years at least

I don't understand where the current left's obsession with immigration comes from, other than it being a confected reason to differentiate them from the other parties and justify their existence; the left hasn't always been so enthusiastically pro-immigration.

 

[sufi]

And let's be honest, twenty years ago immigration wasn't the same as it is today.

how not?
big flows of people have been happening for aeons, the reactionary panic has also been a feature for generations,

 

[sufi]

I don't understand where the current left's obsession with immigration comes from, other than it being a confected reason to differentiate them from the other parties and justify their existence; the left hasn't always been so enthusiastically pro-immigration.

in UK generally labour have been more capable of implementing policy than the tories, who have dropped the ball on most aspects of immigration*, whether that makes them pro-immigration or not is hard to say

 

[sufi]

* apart from the immigration of 10s of 1000s of Hongkongers to UK in recent years which has been managed calmly without panic in the streets, rivers of rhetorical or actual blood, etc

 

[germaphobian]

in UK generally labour have been more capable of implementing policy than the tories, who have dropped the ball on most aspects of immigration*, whether that makes them pro-immigration or not is hard to say

Well yeah, because they used to be much more dependent on unions for their support and unions never been too keen on mass immigration since it drives down wages by creating huge labour reserve army. So they were forced to scale it down.
But that's not true anymore, because unions were a real force only when economy was based around those large manufacturing/exctraction industries - steel, coal and so on - now when you have a dematerialized, fragmented service sector economy those old rules hardly apply anymore.
That's why it was called NEW labour.

 

[Mr. Tea]

He was very likely to win last time when they were three quarters of the way through the count, so don't give up hope yet!

Yawn.

 

[Mr. Tea]

how not?
big flows of people have been happening for aeons, the reactionary panic has also been a feature for generations,

 

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Emmanuel Macron’s popular young prime minister Gabriel Attal tried to talk the French president out of dissolving parliament and to accept his resignation, it emerged on Monday.

“I am the fuse”, Mr Attal, 35, told Mr Macron on Sunday evening, according to BFM TV. “Use me as the fuse,” he reportedly urged his 46-year-old boss, offering himself as a sacrificial lamb following the heavy defeat in European parliamentary elections.

Mr Macron reportedly declined and told his poster boy prime minister that he was “the best person” to front the legislative campaign ahead of the two-round election on June 30 and July 7.

The reported Macron plan is to place Mr Attal, who frequently polls as one of France’s most popular political figures, head-to-head with Marine Le Pen’s equally popular protégé and National Rally leader Jordan Bardella.

 

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There was an article in The Times the other day encouraging people to focus on the discrepancy between promises made by various governments and actual policy -

Farage draws his power not principally from racism (as the son of an immigrant, I can testify that Britain has made great strides on bigotry) or gullibility. Rather, he draws it from deceit.

I am not talking about his own deceit, mind you, although he is more than capable of it. I am talking about the duplicity of the very people who now castigate him: the acolytes and promoters of Tony Blair, Cameron and the others who have held power these past few decades. I say this having gone back to the main party manifestos during the period of Farage’s rise and what they said about the issue he has made his own: immigration. And, as you might expect, and as Farage has consistently claimed, I saw lie after lie.

 

[Mr. Tea]

There was an article in The Times the other day encouraging people to focus on the discrepancy between promises made by various governments and actual policy -

Well yeah, the Tories have been saying "Vote for us to lower immigration" since forever, and if you're a voter that prioritises reducing immigration over every other issue, you can't fail to have noticed that net immigration in 2022 was the highest it's ever been, after 12 years of uninterrupted Tory governments as well as Brexit, which people voted for to reduce immigration above all other reasons.

Of course, Farage was instrumental in making Brexit happen in the first place, but since he wasn't part of the government that made it happen, he can now say it was the wrong sort of Brexit or whatever, so vote Reform to make it a proper Brexit that will actually stop immigration. Or something.

Edit: article makes a good deal of sense.

 

[germaphobian]

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I just want to point out a little detail: your list ends in 2020, but that's exactly the point when the real spike happened. So it's precisley the last couple of years when all the historic immigration records were broken with roughly one million newcomers arriving each year:

 

[germaphobian]

So you have a drop after 2016 when the Brexit happened and all the eastern euros stopped coming and then - after Covid - a massive, unprecedented spike with new non-EU arrivals. It also probably includes SOME Ukrainians, but I don't think too many.