The Elon Musk Thread

[Murphy]

US visa system is a labyrinth, unless you get married, all manner of parasitical legal firms offer “advice” for the ignorant

Skill visas are all part of the long pivot to Asia while brain draining everywhere else possible

More American dreaming by asset stripping

 

[mixed_biscuits]

There should be a simple cognitive test and if you're in the top 10% and have no criminal record we give you citizenship

The test should be taken at 11 and at 18, with the top scorers being given funded places at your elite schools and universities. Bear in mind when Stanford opened up a CS course to the world their top ranked Stanford student came 270th.

If you're a yank your chance of going to MIT will decrease to practically zero, and when you graduate there won't be any skilled jobs for you.

Maybe if you're treating the country as a multinational corporation why not also expel the bottom 5% every year like GS do.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

yeah i'm in a similar boat, been here for ages now but no right to stay unless i get married.

If the reason for immigrants is to pop out kids, as sus says, then that's entirely congruent so get on with what's expected of you.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@sus does cultural fit not come into consideration? Do you really want the Ivy League to be 80% chinese and the country to adopt chinese practices 5 years after? What would happen to dissensus if the most prolific posters on all other forums were automatically made members and incentivised to post here.

 

[sus]

yeah i'm in a similar boat, been here for ages now but no right to stay unless i get married.

Madness

 

[sus]

Would this not undermine other cultures b6 draining them of talent?...it is unethical elitism playing off your country's existing privileged position.

No because there are non-linear benefits to concentrating cognitive capital. If people stay dispersed the rate of innovation is much slower.

 

[sus]

The test should be taken at 11 and at 18, with the top scorers being given funded places at your elite schools and universities. Bear in mind when Stanford opened up a CS course to the world their top ranked Stanford student came 270th.

If you're a yank your chance of going to MIT will decrease to practically zero, and when you graduate there won't be any skilled jobs for you.

Maybe if you're treating the country as a multinational corporation why not also expel the bottom 5% every year like GS do.

Ivies are already like 50% foreign, internatinoals' full (quarter-million dollar) tuitions pay for all the American middleclass kids who don't pay. It's a weird tradeoff but as someone who went to college for basically free, I don't hate it

 

[mixed_biscuits]

No because there are non-linear benefits to concentrating cognitive capital. If people stay dispersed the rate of innovation is much slower.

Do you have evidence? During historical periods of conflict innovation was helped by the siloing effects because people were partly protected from groupthink and putting there eggs in one basket.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Ivies are already like 50% foreign, internatinoals' full (quarter-million dollar) tuitions pay for all the American middleclass kids who don't pay. It's a weird tradeoff but as someone who went to college for basically free, I don't hate it

That proportion would rise to 90% and you wouldn't have got in. Furthermore, those fees are hugely inflated for what most people are getting.

 

[wg-]

You're aligning yourself with Sam Hyde against Musk. Musk and Ramaswamy are using business to fight against exclusive MAGA nativism.

I don't know who Sam Hyde is but I feel like he might be a prick. Musk and Ramaswamy are too terminally online for me irrespective of political opinion tbh but I think it's a pretty daft fight to get involved in so publicly and just shows the addiction to twitter/x

If Trump had just appointed the AI lad and the online boys had kept quiet it would have blown over, instead look at it

I get the impression Musk's dream is localised modern Rhodesias formed in his image and you can't do that without indentured foreign workers

It is time for a beer I think

 

[mixed_biscuits]

But the bottom line is that a country is neither a research lab nor a profit maximising company - people that can't see this should have nothing to do with policy.

 

[0bleak]

Ivies (...) internatinoals' full (quarter-million dollar) tuitions pay for all the American middleclass kids who don't pay.

Say that again in a way that I can understand because I'm missing something here.
I've had older and much younger siblings accepted into Ivies like Harvard (or similar like Duke) that ended up not going because of the cost.

 

[shakahislop]

biscuits get with the trend on here we need you to go autobiographical like everyone else is at the moment stop arguing about immigration and weird south africans it's new years eve

 

[sus]

Say that again in a way that I can understand because I'm missing something here.
I've had older and much younger siblings accepted into Ivies like Harvard (or similar like Duke) that ended up not going because of the cost.

Affordability

For 90% of American families, Harvard is more affordable than their local state school.

college.harvard.edu

• If your family's income is less than $85,000, you'll pay nothing.
• For families who earn between $85,000 and $150,000, the expected contribution is between zero and ten percent of your annual income.

 

[0bleak]

Ok, all I know is that a 15 years younger sister was accepted into Harvard, and she didn't go because of the cost, and so my parents bought her a cute, brand new vw bug as consolation (or maybe as a way of saying "thank you")
many years before that, my older brother was accepted into Duke, but couldn't go because my father wouldn't pitch in along with my mom and stepdad who were willing to pitch in a lot, so he ended up going to UVA instead (ended up being in some plays with Tina Fey, before she was a star, of course)

 

[mixed_biscuits]

biscuits get with the trend on here we need you to go autobiographical like everyone else is at the moment stop arguing about immigration and weird south africans it's new years eve

Yesterday I wearily trudged to the laptop and opened it to see the responses on the thread about immigration. My jaw nearly hit the floor - just like it did when I fell of my bike at the age of 8 - a well educated chap like sus was saying it would be perfectly ethical to poach other communities' best and brightest, making them pay over the odds so as to subsidise people like him. My fingers hovered over the keys but then I started to write..."Yesterday I wearily trudged..

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Ok, all I know is that a 15 years younger sister was accepted into Harvard, and she didn't go because of the cost, and so my parents bought her a cute, brand new vw bug as consolation (or maybe as a way of saying "thank you")
many years before that, my older brother was accepted into Duke, but couldn't go because my father wouldn't pitch in along with my mom and stepdad who were willing to pitch in a lot, so he ended up going to UVA instead (ended up being in some plays with Tina Fey, before she was a star, of course)

Are they Chinese?

 

[shakahislop]

Yesterday I wearily trudged to the laptop and opened it to see the responses on the thread about immigration. My jaw nearly hit the floor - just like it did when I fell of my bike at the age of 8 - a well educated chap like sus was saying it would be perfectly ethical to poach other communities' best and brightest, making them pay over the odds so as to subsidise people like him. My fingers hovered over the keys but then I started to write..."Yesterday I wearily trudged..

yeah its way better, this is the current style of dissensus, we have embraced autofiction. we need to know what you're up to

 

[0bleak]

Are they Chinese?

OK, so I saw this comment while on my phone so i wearily trudged back to my laptop to answer the comment from the previously ignored user:

Come on, man. I've seen a least one comment before about how you went to Oxford. I also know you've seen pictures of me.
With that in mind, do you think my older brother and a younger sister are Chinese? Use that big Oxford brain, man!
Or maybe you think they were adopted, and I was the "real" one in the middle?
Maybe once my parents had a "real" one (me), they were like:
"ok, we shamefully created a unholy thing, an offense to all other living things.
Let's go back to adopting those Chinese kids that get into Ivy League schools!"

 

[mixed_biscuits]

OK, so I saw this comment while on my phone so i wearily trudged back to my laptop to answer the comment from the previously ignored user:

Come on, man. I've seen a least one comment before about how you went to Oxford. I also know you've seen pictures of me.
With that in mind, do you think my older brother and a younger sister are Chinese? Use that big Oxford brain, man!
Or maybe you think they were adopted, and I was the "real" one in the middle?
Maybe once my parents had a "real" one (me), they were like:
"ok, we shamefully created a unholy thing, an offense to all other living things.
Let's go back to adopting those Chinese kids that get into Ivy League schools!"

No, you were adopted.