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[Mr. Tea]

Yeah it’s about the Waymo, and it oddly makes a lot of sense

Setting them on fire seems to be this new national passtime for you guys, of which I heartily approve.

 

[thirdform]

The literature produced by the left has deteriorated terribly as they succumb to a conveyor belt of derangement syndromes. If you want a mainstream person to take a leftist tack the best thing one can do is to hide any leftist literature. It's not uncommon that I think about something Trump has done, or something wrong with management of the environment, or some social problem but the moment I cast about for similar angles I come up against this wall of hysterical dumbness, irrationality, and conspiracy theorising that is the modern left and am dissuaded from taking things further. Because why would I want to get taken for people who are that stupid?

although it is quite pointless to elaborate because you are psychically, physically and mentally incapable of understanding. Your convergent stupidity lies in asking this question to begin with. But then, we would never want you to have brains. because if you did, you couldn't be our favourite whipping boy.

 

[okzharp]

 

[GhostofKinski]

you motherfuckers are to a man dumb as rocks and it amazes me every day that this is the website that got planet mu's footwork comp off the ground and the website that put me on to j.h. prynne and a place where people used to try to outdo one another interpreting the wake. used to be a real country

What? That’s it?
That was the gayest high horse rebuke ever.
Btw, if you are trying to interpret ‘the wake’
You, yes you personally, are exactly the person JJ wrote that book to fuck with’s head.
Anglophile poof.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@Clinamenic forget about protesting, your commune has lots of floor space on which and under which to squirrel away terrified Mexicans. That you haven't thought of this plan means that ICE won't suspect you. Sorry to be Anne Frank about this.

 

[luka]

I mean I definitely feel this vibe shift among my leftist friends, a sense of aimlessness and a need to recalibrate in some more effective direction. It seems totally plausible to me that there is a post-woke or anti-woke silent majority on the left, i.e. that most of us are actually sick of all the pronoun discourse, and that it will just take some kind of critical mass for people to feel comfortable breaking from puritanical ranks. It is optimistic, but perhaps a more realistic alternative is that we keep swinging between extreme cultural polarities.

All that (the obsession with pronouns, woke nonsense) is going to be key. Finkelstein’s book ‘I’ll Burn That Bridge When I Get To It’ is a phenomenal left critique of woke culture. I asked him if he had read Fisher’s ‘Exiting the Vampire Castle’ and he said he hadn’t.

Anyway, this is a tough/wedge issue.
If it were about overturning Citizens United or Universal Healthcare I’d be more optimistic.
The right is (aside from breaking the law/trampling on the constitution) gonna end up throwing a thick layer of sealant on keeping the most radical elements of the working class (the armed white people) firmly on their side. And it’s gonna be as simple as showing rail thin green haired nonbinary trustfarians jumping on police cars along side the lumpin proletariat scumbags that will use this issue to loot Nike stores and burn shit.
The optics won’t work in our favor.
I am delighted though to read your response and it does give me a glimmer that even the younger generation are tired of the nonsense too easily exploited by those in power.
☘️

It's tricky, isn't it. My instinct is that the US (and wider Western) left would at least not be harming itself if it were to focus a bit less on identity politics and a bit more on class consciousness. Or at least if it recognised more often that class and wealth are aspects of identity in themselves, and that white men really are a disadvantaged minority in academia and the culture industry if they are also working class.

OTOH, this could very easily lead to a situation where the dominant culture of opposition and protest comes to see the woke left, not the authoritarian right, as its main enemy, and then you've just got a bunch of able-bodied straight white guys, half of them Marxists and the other half crypto bros, putting aside their economic differences in the name of what's really important, viz. the right to say "pussy", "faggot" and "retard" without being scolded by a fat lesbian with blue hair and big glasses. I mean, I don't follow any of these 'scumbag left' podcasts, but from what I've read about them, they're already pretty clearly heading in this direction.

 

[luka]

What? That’s it?
That was the gayest high horse rebuke ever.
Btw, if you are trying to interpret ‘the wake’
You, yes you personally, are exactly the person JJ wrote that book to fuck with’s head.
Anglophile poof.

 

[luka]

Neat.

 

[GhostofKinski]

Glad I could help. Now you can go back to living the ‘the world was never made for one as beautiful a mind as mine’ life.
Maybe throw a rhyme or two so you can sell it to the touristas

 

[Mr. Tea]

Neat.

 

[thirdform]

Mixed Biscuits always gets red in the face when anyone knows something. Like when shaka was patiently explaining how international aid works.

he thinks he's a termagant cook immune to torment but in reality he's more like a jealous spouse. hence the obsessive need to declare himself to be judge, jury and executioner.

 

[thirdform]

What? That’s it?
That was the gayest high horse rebuke ever.
Btw, if you are trying to interpret ‘the wake’
You, yes you personally, are exactly the person JJ wrote that book to fuck with’s head.
Anglophile poof.

Cut it out.

This website is full of anglophiles, singling her out for a personal attack is not on, and behaviour unworthy of an ostensible Marxist.

@other_life check your pms on telegram. I will send you a programma article on this topic. In short, you don't need to be annoyed about the degeneration of this place. It was always determined to go that way. One cannot find anything in Fisher (woe betide his love for culture)! about the proletarian dictatorship that refuses to set itself limits, but what else is the class war when a productive crisis breaks out or more importantly, a WW III?

After all, it is the old which destroys productive forces and resorts to negative production (on this account Luxemburg was wrong) arms production cannot be productive of surplus value. The workers cannot consume it, only the army of the state — a state which must increase its expenditure whilst the army does not renumerate in labour.

 

[GhostofKinski]

Cut it out.

This website is full of anglophiles, singling her out for a personal attack is not on, and behaviour unworthy of an ostensible Marxist.

If you’re going to condescendingly take someone out to the back for a slap, don’t get upset when the person defends themselves.
You didn’t find anything ‘personal’ about her (which I didn’t know & may have chosen different words accordingly if I knew) but I’m a big believer in reciprocal behavior. Don’t wanna get called out for it, don’t engage in it.

It is true though about ‘wake’ I’ve read it.
It doesn’t require interpretation.
The Anglophile comment was directed that way because that’s precisely why JJ wrote it that way. As a direct response to the Irish language being taken away from the native speakers. He was like: here, chew on this geniuses.

 

[GhostofKinski]

you motherfuckers are to a man dumb as rocks

@thirdform
Nothing personal

 

[hmg]

 

[thirdform]

It is true though about ‘wake’ I’ve read it.
It doesn’t require interpretation.
The Anglophile comment was directed that way because that’s precisely why JJ wrote it that way. As a direct response to the Irish language being taken away from the native speakers. He was like: here, chew on this geniuses.

Yeah, you're right about Joyce. But the more important point is that Fisher could not be called a Marxist and had more in common with anglophile labourism.

I have never understood Fisher as a reference point for her, but I also didn't come to my politics through the battles he conducted. He was always too parochial for me, always too besotted to the BBC. I also don't agree with his analyses of jungle, but like I said, war on the middle class, death to the middle class, shit on its cursed ideals! And that especially includes culture.

I love jungle as music, not as culture. Contradiction in me? Only those unfamiliar with the dialectic could make such an infantile accusation.

 

[thirdform]

true Marxists are anti-scholastic and anti-cultural. Force is the midwife of the new society. the unending search for the sanctity of the absolute truth ends up in closing ones eyes to the dazzling vision.

 

[GhostofKinski]

Yeah, you're right about Joyce. But the more important point is that Fisher could not be called a Marxist and had more in common with anglophile labourism.

I have never understood Fisher as a reference point for her, but I also didn't come to my politics through the battles he conducted. He was always too parochial for me, always too besotted to the BBC. I also don't agree with his analyses of jungle, but like I said, war on the middle class, death to the middle class, shit on its cursed ideals! And that especially includes culture.

I love jungle as music, not as culture. Contradiction in me? Only those unfamiliar with the dialectic could make such an infantile accusation.

I’ll do you one better: I still don’t know WTF jungle is.
I loved Fishers writing (particularly CR & ETVC) reading weird and the eerie now btw.
As I said in another thread somewhere; I love CR because it was a diagnostic I could understand where before there was a mental block for me. Furthermore, in the same post I believe, I said I found more of a breadcrumb trail from McCluhans War & Peace….& The medium is the Massage, to debord’s Society of the Spectacle, to Capitalist Realism.

After coming on this site though beyond the pop culture stuff his brutal dismissal of Mike Leigh’s films (which aren’t all great) but I loved ‘Four Days in July’ ‘Home Sweet Home’ and a few others that imo were small masterpieces.

 

[thirdform]

I’ll do you one better: I still don’t know WTF jungle is.
I loved Fishers writing (particularly CR & ETVC) reading weird and the eerie now btw.
As I said in another thread somewhere; I love CR because it was a diagnostic I could understand where before there was a mental block for me. Furthermore, in the same post I believe, I said I found more of a breadcrumb trail from McCluhans War & Peace….& The medium is the Massage, to debord’s Society of the Spectacle, to Capitalist Realism.

After coming on this site though beyond the pop culture stuff his brutal dismissal of Mike Leigh’s films (which aren’t all great) but I loved ‘Four Days in July’ ‘Home Sweet Home’ and a few others that imo were small masterpieces.

oh, he was a great writer, no doubt about that! but he was often spectacularly self-consumed by bourgeois ideology and never, I believe, made a full study of capital.

 

[GhostofKinski]

oh, he was a great writer, no doubt about that! but he was often spectacularly self-consumed by bourgeois ideology and never, I believe, made a full study of capital.

Idk what he did or didn’t read beyond what/who he’s cited.
Just love the writing.