Nice and ongoing terror attacks in W Europe

jenks

jenks

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craner said:
I once criticised Amess for lobbying for the MEK, but this is horrifying.
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I criticised him for many things but he was in the constituency, found jobs for some of my ex pupils, got my son work experience in the Commons, was vocal about all manner of things that mattered to Leigh and Southend, I don’t suppose there’s many here who hadn’t met him, chatted with him or argued with him, he really was constantly out and about. There’s a palpable feeling of horror in the area right now. People just in a state of shock.
 
craner

craner

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There is a general dehumanisation of MPs in public discourse and the stuff you are talking about is the stuff people don't know or think or care about, and also the stuff that puts them in dangerous, exposed positions.
 
luka

luka

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they do live these double lives dont they, the contituency busy bee, doing good deeds, and then going to the house of commons and voting to repatriate all the blacks. its hard to reconcile
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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luka said:
say more about this....
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It's a common theme when some (white) nutter in America gets radicalized and does something awful. Conservative news media make much of any talk of "mental illness" and play down connections to established white supremacist terror networks (the old "lone wolf" cliché). Progressive backlash takes the form of "Dude was a Nazi who was in touch with other Nazis, stop slandering neurodivergent people."

As if extremist views and (some forms of mental illness) don't naturally co-occur! And as if it isn't exactly the same sorts of messed-up young men who get involved in violent Islamism, too.
 
version

version

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Apparently this guy was seriously unwell. He'd been in and out of mental healthcare for years, had a long history of petty crimes, had threatened multiple family members and had also been flagged for suspected radicalisation.

He's white, but I don't think he's a white supremacist-type. He apparently converted to Islam.
 
luka

luka

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I think that there is a distinction to be made which is why the courts make the distinction when sentencing
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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luka said:
I think that there is a distinction to be made which is why the courts make the distinction when sentencing
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A distinction, sure, I'm just saying it shouldn't be either/or. Some people are obviously much more in command of their facilties than others.

For example, I don't think Anders Breivik is delusional or hears voices in his head or anything. He just feels very, very strongly that Norway should be for white ethnic Norwegians only, and was prepared to commit mass murder to further that end. In fact it's been said that his trial is the first time in history that the defendant has maintained that he's sane while the prosecution has argued for mental debilitation.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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So that's a case where the "mental illness" argument is totally redundant. Thomas Mair, on the other hand, had a long history of mental illness, and had sought help for his depression the day before he killed Jo Cox, but had been told to come back for an appointment.
 
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