Nice and ongoing terror attacks in W Europe
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Mr. Tea
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Russia does, sure. As for the US, who knows? The country is in such a state of total chaos that it can't even wipe it's own arse right now. The CIA is a cornerstone of the 'deep state' that Trump was supposedly elected to heroically dismantle, remember. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it will be a long time before he can fully purge the old guard and replace them with pro-Russian MAGA loyalists.
But another possibility with this latest attack is just that people other than white Westerners might also have agency, ideology and agenda. It's not as if you've got to have the help of superpower spy agencies to come up with a devilishly sophisticated plan like ramming a car into a crowd of people.
But another possibility with this latest attack is just that people other than white Westerners might also have agency, ideology and agenda. It's not as if you've got to have the help of superpower spy agencies to come up with a devilishly sophisticated plan like ramming a car into a crowd of people.
yyaldrin
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musk has been extremely vocal about his support for the afd and is actively trying to push them forward. there was also an article in germany's der spiegel magazine a while back about a supposed russian scheme where they would pay the taliban for carrying out attacks on us soldiers. they found out that at least two afghan men involved in this network are registred as refugees in germany now which raises the question whether something similar could be at play in germany. obviously this is all conspirational talk and i don't take any of it at face value but i also think it's naive to think major powers wouldn't operate like this.
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(S+) Deutschland: Afghanische Flüchtlinge sollen für russischen Militärgeheimdienst gearbeitet haben
Russische Agenten zahlten in Afghanistan offenbar für Anschläge der Taliban. Recherchen von SPIEGEL und »The Insider« enthüllen nun Hinterleute. Teil des Netzwerks waren wohl mindestens zwei Asylbewerber in Deutschland.
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yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
are you familiar with the nsu murders @Mr. Tea? it's a totally different story but for a long time it was thought that these were just "ordinary" killings carried out among criminals untill it was revealed that it was a neo-nazi gang with ties to germany's secret service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground_murders
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
might also not be some sophisticated elaborate plot with false flag operations but could also just be information about potential attacks that are withheld from local police force or the public. one thing is sure, germany's secret service, military and police force is full of nazi cells and they have a lot to win with these terrorist attacks.
Mr. Tea
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To be honest I'm just sick of things being considered false flags or whatever by default. There are people in America who sincerely believe the attempted assassination of Trump was "staged", somehow including a fake bullet that was literally caught on camera, and presumably a crisis actor so dedicated to his job that he was prepared to play the part of the shooter, knowing he'd inevitably get killed himself. And it's depressing to see progressives thinking in terms that are fundamentally identical to the right-wing loonies who follow Alex Jones.
shakahislop
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hmgov is a false flag operation by ash sarkar
Mr. Tea
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I'm not sure she's smart enough to convincingly act that stupid, if you get me.
mixed_biscuits
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The mini driver was refused asylum but allowed to stay. Maybe it was on this condition.
version
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Yeah, this is something you often encounter on the left. A sense of everything being down to big bad America, the West, white people, etc. Obviously it's bollocks and everyone else is capable of and has done horrendous shit too. What muddies the waters is there's a long history of America and co. doing this sort of thing, they're still the biggest player and a given event can even feature both elements, e.g. a genuine radical Islamist attack facilitated by western interests due to either malice or incompetence.
Mr. Tea
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I broadly agree, but I think it's more accurate to say the US was the biggest player. I think recent events have shown that that era, which has been on the way out for probably a couple of decades now, is well and truly over.
version
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They're still at the top of the pile, imo. The gap between them and China seems to be closing, but the US are still the more dominant of the two. I think even Chinese officials would tell you they're hoping to overtake the US this century rather than already considering themselves on top or on equal footing.
if a population crisis doesn't make it harder
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Mr. Tea
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I meant in terms of being top dogs in international chicanery and cloak-and-dagger malarkey. It's looking as if Russia has won, or is close to winning, this Cold War 2 or whatever we're calling it.
Mr. Tea
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mixed_biscuits
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I'm surprised the left hasn't realised that these terrorist attacks are actually down to stereotype threat: any recent immigrant to Europe, swamped by far-right propagandising, will begin to feel that they're meant to be driving on the pavement rather than the road.