DOOM, or The Official 2016 US Election Thread

Leo

Well-known member
But Hammel was far from the only person I met in my reporting this year who made me think that Trump had spurred something very unusual. Some of them had never voted before; some had voted for Barack Obama. None were traditional Republican voters. Some were in dire economic straits; others were just a notch up from that and looking down with resentment at the growing dependency around them. What they shared were three things. They lived in places that were in decline, and had been for some time. They lacked strong attachment to either party at a time when, even within a single metro area like Dayton, the parties had sorted themselves into ideological, geographically disparate camps that left many voters unmoored. And they had profound contempt for a dysfunctional, hyper-prosperous Washington that they saw as utterly removed from their lives.

with this type of voter base, i wonder if trump would have won even as an independent? GOP may have "lucked out", if you can call getting your party ripped apart lucky.

Revenge of the Forgotten Class
https://www.propublica.org/article/revenge-of-the-forgotten-class
 

firefinga

Well-known member
with this type of voter base, i wonder if trump would have won even as an independent? GOP may have "lucked out", if you can call getting your party ripped apart lucky.

Revenge of the Forgotten Class
https://www.propublica.org/article/revenge-of-the-forgotten-class

Trump was pretty much an "independent" since he received little support by the GOP's establishment. And the Republicans are all but ripped apart. They have re-unified in a heartbeat after this triumph.

I go along with the main message of this article tho, and possibly we ain't seen the worst yet. Meaning - Trump will very likely fail to meet the hopes of this "forgotten class" and then a true fascist movement will emerge and put an end to the USA as we (still) know it.
 

Leo

Well-known member
the GOP isn't unified, though. there's still going to be a sizable struggle/battle within the party, the establishment on one side and alt-right/trump voters/freedom caucus on the other. they'll all be on the same page for the some issues like conservative supreme court appointees, repealing obamacare, tax cuts and reduced regulatory environment, but have very different views on entitlement reform (social security, medicare), immigration, foreign policy and trade.

the john mccain/lindsey graham wing of the GOP is still going to be hawkish on foreign policy, where trump says he doesn't want to be an interventionist. the paul ryan wing of the GOP supports global trade deals, entitlement reform and opposes mass deportation, all issues where trump has taken the opposite position.

of course, there's always the possibility that trump just said all that stuff to appeal to voters and will now take totally different positions.
 
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yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
of course, there's always the possibility that trump just said all that stuff to appeal to voters and will now take totally different positions.

I think *the* burning question that's going to define how things for the USA and the world at large over the next four years is: to what extent are the things Trump said he'd do during his campaign

A) positions he honestly and earnestly holds?
B) things he doesn't really believe but knows/thinks he'll have to stick to, in order to avoid mass civil unrest/assassination?
C) things he doesn't really believe and thinks he can get away with quietly scaling back or abandoning altogether (in common with every other elected leader in history)?

(Bear in mind, he strikes me as so utterly mercurial and unstable that it may be that he couldn't accurately answer this question himself, even if he wanted to.)

We may get a taste of how things will turn out between now and January, but it'll be his first few months in office before we find out where we really stand, I guess.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy

'So what if I’m 50 and alone? Trump has won. (Besides, I look really good.) So what if I’m talking to myself again? Trump has won. Who cares if Daniel Craig never makes another Bond movie? Trump has won.'

Stereotypical assumptions about what these 'alt-right' blokes must be like confirmed.
 

luka

Well-known member
'So what if I’m 50 and alone? Trump has won. (Besides, I look really good.) So what if I’m talking to myself again? Trump has won. Who cares if Daniel Craig never makes another Bond movie? Trump has won.'

Stereotypical assumptions about what these 'alt-right' blokes must be like confirmed.

Sounds like a pisstake to me
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I assume they're either young zit-faced COD addicts or middle aged bitter divorcees who've been reprimanded at work for making a racist joke at the christmas party.
 

droid

Well-known member
Lads.

On November 8, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) delivered a report at the international conference on climate change in Morocco (COP22) which was called in order to carry forward the Paris agreement of COP21. The WMO reported that the past five years were the hottest on record. It reported rising sea levels, soon to increase as a result of the unexpectedly rapid melting of polar ice, most ominously the huge Antarctic glaciers. Already, Arctic sea ice over the past five years is 28 percent below the average of the previous 29 years, not only raising sea levels, but also reducing the cooling effect of polar ice reflection of solar rays, thereby accelerating the grim effects of global warming. The WMO reported further that temperatures are approaching dangerously close to the goal established by COP21, along with other dire reports and forecasts.

Another event took place on November 8, which also may turn out to be of unusual historical significance for reasons that, once again, were barely noted.

On November 8, the most powerful country in world history, which will set its stamp on what comes next, had an election. The outcome placed total control of the government -- executive, Congress, the Supreme Court -- in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history.

Apart from the last phrase, all of this is uncontroversial. The last phrase may seem outlandish, even outrageous. But is it? The facts suggest otherwise. The Party is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand.

Is this an exaggeration? Consider what we have just been witnessing.

During the Republican primaries, every candidate denied that what is happening is happening -- with the exception of the sensible moderates, like Jeb Bush, who said it's all uncertain, but we don't have to do anything because we're producing more natural gas, thanks to fracking. Or John Kasich, who agreed that global warming is taking place, but added that "we are going to burn [coal] in Ohio and we are not going to apologize for it."

The winning candidate, now the president-elect, calls for rapid increase in use of fossil fuels, including coal; dismantling of regulations; rejection of help to developing countries that are seeking to move to sustainable energy; and in general, racing to the cliff as fast as possible.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/38360-trump-in-the-white-house-an-interview-with-noam-chomsky
 

vimothy

yurp
As soon as it became clear Trump was going to win the election last Tuesday night, a wave of despair swept over liberals and progressives alike... Generally this took the form of anger, anguish, or grief... One reaction was particularly useless, however: guilt.

White guilt, to be exact.

Numerous thinkpieces and editorials appeared over the course of the following days. Representative titles include “Dear White Women: We Fucked Up” in The Huffington Post, and “I am Ashamed to be Part of the Demographic that Elected Trump” from Affinity Magazine. Sarah Ruiz-Grossman wrote in the former: “I am ashamed of my country and ashamed of white people. But more than anyone else, I am ashamed of white women”... Laurie Penny, a frequent contributor to The Guardian and New Inquiry, confessed on Twitter: “I have had white liberal guilt before. Today is the first time I’ve actually been truly horrified and ashamed to be white”...

Honestly, though I’ve been known to be a bit cynical, I wonder what such statements actually aim to accomplish. Often they seem like virtue-signaling rituals of atonement, meant to convey to others what a good ally someone is. Either that or assuage their guilty conscience... Christopher Lasch diagnosed long ago the narcissism that motivates many individuals committed to activist causes: “Political movements exercise a fatal attraction for those who seek to drown the sense of personal failure in collective action.”

The most egregious instance I witnessed came in a comment thread just hours after Hillary conceded the race. “Keep having the urge to apologize to all the people of color and Muslims who I encounter,” he revealed. He then resolved to himself (and everyone else who was reading): “Going to talk to my Muslim immigrant coworker tomorrow. Just want her to know that we value and respect her as part of the community, because I can’t even guess what she’s feeling right now.”

Imagine being this poor woman sitting in the breakroom, drinking a coffee, enjoying your Boston creme — a beacon of light in a world gone to shit. Suddenly, the office softboi slides in next to you and clasps your hand.

“Fatima,” he says, “YOU’RE WELCOME in America.”

Grinning to himself, he gets up and returns to his desk, to tweet about his not at all random, entirely premeditated act of kindness.

https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/11/14/self-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail-2016/#more-41906
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps

That's interesting, thanks for the link.

I do wonder, however, if there aren't a few weasel words going on here:

Most of the literature suggests that presidents make at least a “good faith” effort to keep an average of about two-thirds of their campaign promises; the exact numbers differ from study to study, depending on how the authors define what counts as a campaign promise and what it means to keep it.

Perhaps the public are wary of the ineffectuality of presidents' promises as much as their honesty?

Then again, it's been the Republicans who've thwarted Obama throughout most of his two terms, so he can hardly be blamed for that.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
More cheery stuff:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/rust-belt-middle-class-wiped-out

'Put bluntly, if you think that what has happened to the advanced countries’ working classes – how over four decades they have sunk from semi-prosperity into pauperism – was a one-off event driven by the magical, unanswerable forces of globalisation, then you’ve missed the point. This is a process that’s swallowing up the middle classes too. Indeed, it’s happening now. And the political implications will, I think, make Trump come to seem as benevolent as a greasepaint baddie at a Christmas panto.'
 

vimothy

yurp
Usually a legend is made by men and media — the legend of Kennedy, say, or Jim Morrison — and then, much later, a biopic, pretending to evenhandedness, reveals the legend's shortcomings, his "human" side. The shortcomings are almost always something exactly no one actually believes compromises his heroism. His problem drinking. His mistreatment of women. Well, takedowns of Hillary were always already written. She has somehow made the time to hear out each dead-end line of reasoning about her fake mortal sins, and often she has also thanked everyone for sparing her further moral lashings, as if that were a kindness. Under cover of "humanizing" the intimidating valedictorian, reports and investigations and media clichés vilified her. But the feminist hero never got to be a legend first. And yet she is one, easily surpassing Ben Franklin, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs.

I want to reverse the usual schedule of things, then. We don't have to wait until she dies to act. Hillary Clinton's name belongs on ships, and airports, and tattoos. She deserves straight-up hagiographies and a sold-out Broadway show called RODHAM. Yes, this cultural canonization is going to come after the chronic, constant, nonstop "On the other hand" sexist hedging around her legacy. But such is the courage of Hillary Clinton and her supporters; we reverse patriarchal orders. Maybe she is more than a president. Maybe she is an idea, a world-historical heroine, light itself. The presidency is too small for her. She belongs to a much more elite class of Americans, the more-than-presidents. Neil Armstrong, Martin Luther King Jr., Alexander Fucking Hamilton.

Hillary Clinton did everything right in this campaign, and she won more votes than her opponent did. She won. She cannot be faulted, criticized, or analyzed for even one more second. Instead, she will be decorated as an epochal heroine far too extraordinary to be contained by the mere White House. Let that revolting president-elect be Millard Fillmore or Herbert Hoover or whatever. Hillary is Athena.

http://www.lennyletter.com/politics/a613/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president/
 

Leo

Well-known member
hey vim, we need a few more "liberals/progressives are delusional idiotic losers" posts, can you get on that?

;)
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
More cheery stuff:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/rust-belt-middle-class-wiped-out

'Put bluntly, if you think that what has happened to the advanced countries’ working classes – how over four decades they have sunk from semi-prosperity into pauperism – was a one-off event driven by the magical, unanswerable forces of globalisation, then you’ve missed the point. This is a process that’s swallowing up the middle classes too. Indeed, it’s happening now. And the political implications will, I think, make Trump come to seem as benevolent as a greasepaint baddie at a Christmas panto.'

That put a spring in my step.

Yeah, it's amazing how the simple logic (and endgame) of unfettered capitalism seems to be ignored so often. Lots of articles in the Guardian today about zero-hours contracts for, and poverty among, university lecturers, which seems a particularly clear indicator of what's ahead for many areas of work hitherto insulated from precarity.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
It is truly depressing when an actual neo-fascist - Bannon - has been more corruscating about the failures of Wall Street than almost anyone on the Left.

(mind you, rather than any kind of ideological conviction it's probably more that he likes talking about locking people up. And he's probably changed his tune now. And he used to work for Goldman Sachs. And he's a fascist so fuck him. Anyways, point being - when will the Left realise it has to directly appeal to people who have been fucked since 2008 if it ever wants to get into power again?)
 
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