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luka said:
it might have been that Matt Colquhoun possibly?
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Yeah, wondered whether it was him as the blog has the same title as his book. Got a bit thrown off by the dates, but it looks as though it runs according to publication rather than when each piece was posted on that particular site.
 
shakahislop

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Mark Fisher & Justin Barton: londonunderlondon 15th October 2024

Playing Spoken Word, Field Recordings, Experimental, Musique Concrete. Flatlines – Hyperdub’s sublabel for audio essays and sonic fiction – present a revised edition of a hypnotic 90-minute audio essay by Justin Barton and the late Mark Fisher. introduced by Justin Barton.
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a revised version of this is up on resonance. i don't think i've ever heard it.
 
wektor

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shakahislop said:
www.nts.live

Mark Fisher & Justin Barton: londonunderlondon 15th October 2024

Playing Spoken Word, Field Recordings, Experimental, Musique Concrete. Flatlines – Hyperdub’s sublabel for audio essays and sonic fiction – present a revised edition of a hypnotic 90-minute audio essay by Justin Barton and the late Mark Fisher. introduced by Justin Barton.
www.nts.live www.nts.live

a revised version of this is up on resonance. i don't think i've ever heard it.
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I think I heard it a couple years ago at one of those sonic faction events at iklectik. think I've mentioned here. there was a /r/accelerationism teenager there who came wearing an acephalus tee shirt an yeezys and kept on asking newbie questions to robin during the qna.
 
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vimothy said:
many years ago nick land wrote a post on hyperstation criticising mark Fisher, now well known and much remarked on, called "transcendental miserablism". thing that always struck me was that you could make the exact same arg about the new right as the contemporary left - absolutely defeated in their own minds by liberal capitalism with no idea about how to rectify it
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of course, they renounce the materialist truism that one fails to be self-identical.
 
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craner said:
That declaration was a watershed moment. Luke and I both found it hilarious but we also knew it doomed our friendship with Mark, albeit from his side not ours. It was just a question of counting down the days to excommunication.

I entirely blame that Lenin book that Zizek wrote and Mark read. That was the precise moment he decided to "become a Bolshevik" -- after reading that stupid book!
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You only have yourselves entirely to blame here. bohemian rectal incontinents unable to read the collected works of our old vladimir and set him right.

the funny thing is, Mark was just as much a dope smoking dad in temperament as yourselves, worse in that he was faithful to rebelling against it as a conscious act whereas your indiscipline was in part laziness.

Looking back, It is hard to know who was worse in all of this. A shower of idiotic shit which invented tea and biscuits fude.
 
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john eden said:
In terms of left wing activisty stuff it is more of a mixed bag. I shudder to think about young people reading his stuff about Zizek and Lenin and all that. Cold-rationalist Leninism - what could go wrong with that eh.

Things like Capitalist Realism and his involvement with groups like Plan C were OK to a point. But Plan C's dalliance with Corbynism (which I believe Mark went along with) was not good from my point of view.

Things like vampire castle and Mark's tragic early demise have played a large part in his current status as a legend. Neither of which is good. There is a dimming of critical faculties involved and a bit of Kurt Cobain syndrome going on. It would be better if he was still around although less people would be quoting him excitedly.

The trajectory reminds me of Genesis P-Orridge in some ways - Gen was always a bit of a dick but in the UK he had people in his circle that went way back that would take the piss out of him. When he moved to America that was no longer the case and he kinda needed that to become this globally recognised presence.

And people forget really that Mark's taste in music became dreadful as time went on. Hauntology, his terribly unconvincing dalliance with UK funky, the centre of gravity being increasingly the music of his youth like a BBC6 presenter.

Possibly this is all unfair. It seems a bit mean reading it back. Probably it falls to people who knew him when he was on here (and before) to at least be honest about this stuff in the face of how ever many books / tributes / inspirational quotes etc there are.
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on the contrary, his involvement with the ph.d students at plan C was far worse than his butchered appeals to Lenin, a butchering that was partaken on actively anti-marxist grounds, as the article @dilbert1 linked expertly elucidates.

In fact, the British anarchist milieu (like the Americans) never truly innoculated itself against Stalinism, it couldn't have, as the observation below illustrates, hence the bankrupsy of anarchist ideology...

'Numerous anti-Stalinists (having at their disposal as criteria, only "democracy", "political morality" or "the best type of organisation") condemn Lenin’s teachings, because according to them, he equated Socialism with State capitalism. This is a general aberration common to most critics of the Russian revolution, whether from the left or the right. However, we saw earlier that as far as Lenin was concerned, the formula of State capitalism was required merely to makeup for an extremely inadequate capitalist development; it is an objective strictly dependant on "Russian conditions", and is entirely inadequate as a condition of proletarian revolution in the developed countries where the first Socialist measures will be taken straightaway, and in particular, the abolition of wage labour. What is international in the October Revolution, is its essential political feature: the universal necessity of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Everything to do with Russian economic problems is, by and large, nothing to do with socialism.
The "extremists" who transform into principle and a question of doctrine, what was only a transitory objective in the proletarian management of a backward economy – even if in good faith – are committing the same error which allowed Stalinism to triumph in the international workers movement.'
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versh

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thirdform said:
You only have yourselves entirely to blame here. bohemian rectal incontinents unable to read the collected works of our old vladimir and set him right.

the funny thing is, Mark was just as much a dope smoking dad in temperament as yourselves, worse in that he was faithful to rebelling against it as a conscious act whereas your indiscipline was in part laziness.

Looking back, It is hard to know who was worse in all of this. A shower of idiotic shit which invented tea and biscuits fude.
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Craner smoking weed, an image both beautiful and hideous.
 
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