cwmbran-city
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we'll have to agree to disagree
male stoicism isnt the cause of male suicide levels in Britain today just as patriarchy isnt the root cause of the problem either, stoicism isnt even a recognized personality trait out of the big 5, although conscientiousness is
imho its because the NHS doesnt recognize, plan for or demand financial support for the scale of the problem....if every CMHT consultant threatened the Govt with strike action, more would have been done, but collectively they sit on their hands, take the very tasty pay packages & pension options & continue to allow this festering sore to remain untreated
its a national disgrace, compared to France & Germany, Maybot's lot have promised more for mental health services, which is hardly a guarantee
you're preaching to the converted about medication "options", they're cheaper than employing therapists after all, my bone of contention is how these are screened & administered by GP's @ primary care stages by professionals who arent specialized, who ignore key data, who seek to throw a blanket coverage over a client "presenting" certain symptoms (i fkn loathe the term "present", surely it should be "is"?) & then stall & stall & stall....primary care is one almighty bottle neck & only a very lucky few get referred on to secondary care services
the region i was born & semi-raised in currently has one of the highest levels of anti-depressant medications administered in the whole of Britain & it certainly isnt the sketchiest, part of the problem here again lies with GP's @ primary care level, because Aneurin Bevan Health Board has some of the better secondary care CMHT's in the country, its just not enough referrals are made for the appropriate support, a vicious feedback loop indeed
so whether you look at a regional case study or a national one, its the gulf in-between someone who knows they have problems & how the medical profession then choose to treat that person, it seems that men will (to make a generalization) put up with more incompetence because no-one outside of the NHS really knows the structures in place to improve mental health (outside of charities & advocacy groups), so they wait & they wait & they wait & then bang.....as women are more agreeable than men you might expect them to be the bias indicator for suicide demographics because they would possibly trust their GP more, but that isnt supported by suicide demographics
thats why i find the notion of some of the gender traits you included (which would defer to & include aspects of identity politics) as a tad problematic
if you're on the frontline, working in this sector, day in, day out, i tip my cap to you, because of the stresses these careers induce & the structural inefficiencies that everyone from Govt down seem to want to bury in the graves of victims, keep on keeping on
2 local clinicians who ARE pushing therapies & treatments forward in new & encouraging directions are listed below, Professor Jonathan Bisson @ Cardiff & Dr Ben Sessa @ Bristol (the former is a fuckin saint!):
http://www.ncmh.info/3mdr-treatment-resistant-ptsd/
https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=.....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.98....0.-xrcEp_bVvI
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sou...959.0..46j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i46k1.0.7sbQRpP_ey8
edit: blame the edible......both researchers have trialed MDMA & Psilocybin for ptsd, addiction & related traumas, with scope & range thats slowly building momentum
good to see these approaches explore such innovative paths in the face of so much institutional resistance
Bisson set up http://www.ukpts.co.uk/ ....indispensable, there are usually a raft of papers from a bi-annual conference archived, the scale & spectrum of submissions are recommended, couldnt do the wall of advocacy work piling up here w/out it
male stoicism isnt the cause of male suicide levels in Britain today just as patriarchy isnt the root cause of the problem either, stoicism isnt even a recognized personality trait out of the big 5, although conscientiousness is
imho its because the NHS doesnt recognize, plan for or demand financial support for the scale of the problem....if every CMHT consultant threatened the Govt with strike action, more would have been done, but collectively they sit on their hands, take the very tasty pay packages & pension options & continue to allow this festering sore to remain untreated
its a national disgrace, compared to France & Germany, Maybot's lot have promised more for mental health services, which is hardly a guarantee
you're preaching to the converted about medication "options", they're cheaper than employing therapists after all, my bone of contention is how these are screened & administered by GP's @ primary care stages by professionals who arent specialized, who ignore key data, who seek to throw a blanket coverage over a client "presenting" certain symptoms (i fkn loathe the term "present", surely it should be "is"?) & then stall & stall & stall....primary care is one almighty bottle neck & only a very lucky few get referred on to secondary care services
the region i was born & semi-raised in currently has one of the highest levels of anti-depressant medications administered in the whole of Britain & it certainly isnt the sketchiest, part of the problem here again lies with GP's @ primary care level, because Aneurin Bevan Health Board has some of the better secondary care CMHT's in the country, its just not enough referrals are made for the appropriate support, a vicious feedback loop indeed
so whether you look at a regional case study or a national one, its the gulf in-between someone who knows they have problems & how the medical profession then choose to treat that person, it seems that men will (to make a generalization) put up with more incompetence because no-one outside of the NHS really knows the structures in place to improve mental health (outside of charities & advocacy groups), so they wait & they wait & they wait & then bang.....as women are more agreeable than men you might expect them to be the bias indicator for suicide demographics because they would possibly trust their GP more, but that isnt supported by suicide demographics
thats why i find the notion of some of the gender traits you included (which would defer to & include aspects of identity politics) as a tad problematic
if you're on the frontline, working in this sector, day in, day out, i tip my cap to you, because of the stresses these careers induce & the structural inefficiencies that everyone from Govt down seem to want to bury in the graves of victims, keep on keeping on
2 local clinicians who ARE pushing therapies & treatments forward in new & encouraging directions are listed below, Professor Jonathan Bisson @ Cardiff & Dr Ben Sessa @ Bristol (the former is a fuckin saint!):
http://www.ncmh.info/3mdr-treatment-resistant-ptsd/
https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=.....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.98....0.-xrcEp_bVvI
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sou...959.0..46j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i46k1.0.7sbQRpP_ey8
edit: blame the edible......both researchers have trialed MDMA & Psilocybin for ptsd, addiction & related traumas, with scope & range thats slowly building momentum
good to see these approaches explore such innovative paths in the face of so much institutional resistance
Bisson set up http://www.ukpts.co.uk/ ....indispensable, there are usually a raft of papers from a bi-annual conference archived, the scale & spectrum of submissions are recommended, couldnt do the wall of advocacy work piling up here w/out it
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