archetypal dyads

[Corpsey]

One of my favourite troll comments used to be claiming this was the best UK rap song ever

 

[Corpsey]

also LOL at them relegating baldie to the back with a bass guitar

 

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also LOL at them relegating baldie to the back with a bass guitar

Just wandering around looking lost beneath his beanie. By the time they got to 'Stay Another Day' he had been promoted to hand gestures.

 

[luka]

moving shadow/suburban base

 

[germaphobian]

Joyce vs Beckett = catholicism - maximalism (outlandish, over the top) vs reformism - minimalism (gray, no ornaments, eating porridge)

 

[Corpsey]

That's an interesting one, what with Beckett being Joyce's worshipful disciple

"ACCORDING TO one of his biographers, the young Samuel Beckett hero-worshipped James Joyce to an extent that would have worried a chiropodist. “Beckett even wore pointed-toe patent leather pumps that were too small,” wrote Deirdre Bair, “because he wanted to [have] the same shoe in the same size as Joyce, who was very proud of his small, neatly shod feet.”

 

[luka]

Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin

 

[Corpsey]

The Joyce Project : Ulysses : Don Quixote

An interactive companion to James Joyce's Ulysses

m.joyceproject.com

Don Quixote has one additional claim to fame: it was, in the view of many people, the first modern novel. Adventurous novels like Laurence Sterne's Tristram Shandy and Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn proclaim their debt to it, and countless others could never have existed without its innovations. Mundane, democratic, comical, ironic, skeptical, subjective, perspectival, dialogic: this work saw where epic tales would go in an era when ordinary people were grabbing the spotlight from hereditary elites, prose was displacing verse, and individual perceptions were starting to seem more real than universal teachings. It also pioneered a particular narrative pattern that later novelists would return to again and again. Two male protagonists who are polar opposites in most obvious ways, but whose minds somehow mesh, undertake a series of episodic adventures that highlight both their differences and their similarities. (One example that rivals Cervantes' stories for length and readability are the twenty sea novels of Patrick O'Brian.)

 

[luka]

quixote and panza is the foundation. tall and lean, short and fat. the ideal and the imagination squabbling and bickering with the animal appetites, but ultimately conjoined and co-dependent.

 

[Murphy]

Les Dennis and Dustin Gee

 

[sus]

But this is broadly how I read their rivalry. They seem, superficially at least, dissimilar - which is what makes their rivalry so compelling

Youre not just rooting for a person youre rooting for a philosophy, a way of being and moving through the world. The people are stand ins, synecdoches

 

[sus]

Actually a lot of bands have a dyad

I think this happens a lot with teams and group projects. You're driven to distinction. Finding your niche as a balance to the other person. You each become more polar in one anothers presence

 

[luka]

that's right

 

[luka]

theres a thing about partnerships that pushes each member towards being a kind of caricature of themselves, to emphasise certain aspects of themselves and to hive off other characteristics onto the other partner. you become one sided in relationships i think. you amplify what is 'yours' i.e. those characteristics of yous the other doesnt share, and you disavow those aspects of yourself that are manifested more strongly and perfectly in the other.

dose that make sense? that's what ive found. it's a way to preserve distance and independence but it makes you a cardboard cut out.

 

[sus]

Yes and you grow to hate your cardboard self. "Why wont you let me be whole." When you break free its like being born all over again finding your lost wholeness

 

[luka]

yes exactly thats the line i take with a lot of breakup poems

 

[luka]

you mutuilate yourseld to form a team or partnership. and become whole agin when you split. all the old friends come fluttering back to join you.

 

[sus]

Every connection requires a disconnection

 

[sus]

Someone must have said Kirk Spock did no one say Kirk Spock? I dont even watch Star Trek but it's low hanging fruit. Mind vs body. Brain vs heart. Calculation / rationality vs bravery (i.e. "I make my own odds"). Repression vs exuberance.

 

[luka]

luka-dreamer, pure of heart, mystic, kind, encouraging
craner-worldly, grounded, black of heart, critical