Benny Bunter
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Who did what?
good ideas that actually ended up coming out as an unmitigated disaster
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boyfriends who work in finance. traitor to the health of the species!
Benny Bunter
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Would rather you both left me out of your trolling game tbh, not really in the mood, thanks.
forclosure
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as far as im concerned Witch house is the forerunner of alot of the embarassing tasteless shit ive seen white people do as far as electronic music goes
in that they try to combine the embarassing music they liked as teens nowhere towns (goth rock,pop punk,nu metal etc) with the "cool" tasteful music that they like now (rap,garage,chopped n screwed) and its always terrible
Girl Talk has alot to answer for shitty mash up culture and people who bought "Wugazi" should have their hands cut off like in old Damascus
forclosure
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also as far as good ideas total disaster id like to nominate Instrumental hip hop
padraig (u.s.)
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idk man that seems a reductionist view. that shit is more complicated, and multidirectional.
for one rap has a long history of being into/working with "bad" guitar music. not to mention all the many legit dudes who have gotten on with ICP over the years.
but I think you're just making assumptions about sincerity that aren't necessarily true. I remember bit about in that Noz interview someone linked a few weeks back where the interviewer mentioned growing up in iirc eastern Arkansas by Memphis where tons of white kids were heavily Slipknot + 3 6 Mafia.
I just think racially/musically it's more complicated, as well as what's cool/tasteful and what's bad/embarrassing
tho not really trying to defend witch house specifically and I agree it's firmly in the potentially good ideas (the aesthetic) gone badly wrong category (the reality)
have you ever spent time in some of those nowhere towns? the Rust Belt or wherever else
padraig (u.s.)
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also all due respect FOH including goth in embarrassing music. Bela Lugosi's Dead 4ever.
if this is embarrassing then I'm proud to be a corny motherfucker.
if this is embarrassing then I'm proud to be a corny motherfucker.
padraig (u.s.)
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tho I do agree about instrumental hip hop
best case scenario it wound up with dudes moving into soundtracks
best case scenario it wound up with dudes moving into soundtracks
forclosure
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Ive spent more time around the people who come from the UK equivalent of "the rust belt" than ive acutally been there so no not really
Although i did go to Salisbury once for a special event
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For me i feel like as much as i have tried to understand the suburbs and people friom provincial towns/rust belt i will never fully "get" the experience cause im black and grew up in a very "urban" part of London so in some ways you may aswell be talking about what its like to live under the sea.
Crowleyhead can attest to this but i tried to listen to Slipknots Iowa album once and the conclusion i came to was that while i think the album was terrible, i got something of a better understanding of the people who love that album in that it captures that anxiety of living in a small bit of nowhere where youre afriad of living the same life your parents and friends did (the fear that youre gonna grow,live and die trapped in here,boredom and how that leads to drugs etc)
Theres also the added fact that i feel alot of those people have been more weaponised and made to be martyrs of late, how that feeds into racism/xenophobia the notion that people in these places live apprently more "authentic" working class lives than those who live in cities and how the media bought the bullshit that we need to give said racists a pedastal cause of a "difference of views" or how we need to understand them but theres other people who have tackled that subject
Crowleyhead can attest to this but i tried to listen to Slipknots Iowa album once and the conclusion i came to was that while i think the album was terrible, i got something of a better understanding of the people who love that album in that it captures that anxiety of living in a small bit of nowhere where youre afriad of living the same life your parents and friends did (the fear that youre gonna grow,live and die trapped in here,boredom and how that leads to drugs etc)
Theres also the added fact that i feel alot of those people have been more weaponised and made to be martyrs of late, how that feeds into racism/xenophobia the notion that people in these places live apprently more "authentic" working class lives than those who live in cities and how the media bought the bullshit that we need to give said racists a pedastal cause of a "difference of views" or how we need to understand them but theres other people who have tackled that subject
Corpsey
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I'm from a village, satellite to a provincial market town. Now I'm trying to think what that meant for my taste.
Perhaps a taste for extremity? A counteraction of the boredom of provincial life in metal, punk, drum n bass, etc. The escapism there was in my infatuation with gangsta rap and rap in general.
Probably also a feeling that some London accents/slang terms are hilarious and quaint, at the same instant being glamorous and cooler than anybody from the provinces could hope to be.
A natural ingrained sense of belonging at the fringe?
Perhaps a taste for extremity? A counteraction of the boredom of provincial life in metal, punk, drum n bass, etc. The escapism there was in my infatuation with gangsta rap and rap in general.
Probably also a feeling that some London accents/slang terms are hilarious and quaint, at the same instant being glamorous and cooler than anybody from the provinces could hope to be.
A natural ingrained sense of belonging at the fringe?
padraig (u.s.)
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oh word for some reason I thought you were American (and white, idk why), that post makes far more sense in that context
padraig (u.s.)
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just to clarify - the U.S. is too big and spread out to be a cultural hothouse like yall have. and once you get away - not even very far away - from the coasts/big cities it's like a different planet. it's surprisingly easy to forget - or just be ignorant of - that other planet when you live in a big diverse, liberal city (as flawed as those can be in their own ways). I'm originally from a liberal college town by Chicago but happen to have spent enough time hanging around in nowhere towns all over the country to not to be completely ignorant at least, and to have a halfway decent grasp on kids from those kinds of places. tbf it's also less of a cultural empathetic leap to make for me than for you.
I guess I was just arguing for the intrinsic authenticity of those kids' cultures - the taste may be bad but it's sincere. whereas what you're describing sounded more like hip arty etc types - considerably more likely to be from suburban well-off etc backgrounds - semi-ironically repurposing adolescent "bad" taste. these are generalizations still ofc which are glossing over more nuanced things.
and sure I agree about that political angle, weaponizing non-urban white working-class on a semi-mythical level, but you mostly can't blame those people for that, especially the kids. it's some cynical exploitative nonsense and it ain't new, presidential elections have been hinging on it for decades (they've been the main swing vote ever since Democrats lost white Southerners over civil rights). granted it's infuriating, has obv been worse than ever, and there's some level of complicity but man it is some classic divide + rule bullshit. otherwise you wouldn't mfers out here dog whistling Dixie every election cycle.
I guess I was just arguing for the intrinsic authenticity of those kids' cultures - the taste may be bad but it's sincere. whereas what you're describing sounded more like hip arty etc types - considerably more likely to be from suburban well-off etc backgrounds - semi-ironically repurposing adolescent "bad" taste. these are generalizations still ofc which are glossing over more nuanced things.
and sure I agree about that political angle, weaponizing non-urban white working-class on a semi-mythical level, but you mostly can't blame those people for that, especially the kids. it's some cynical exploitative nonsense and it ain't new, presidential elections have been hinging on it for decades (they've been the main swing vote ever since Democrats lost white Southerners over civil rights). granted it's infuriating, has obv been worse than ever, and there's some level of complicity but man it is some classic divide + rule bullshit. otherwise you wouldn't mfers out here dog whistling Dixie every election cycle.
Mr. Tea
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The epitome of crap-but-authentic small-town white working-class culture has got to be the Juggalo phenomenon, surely?
padraig (u.s.)
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yes
padraig (u.s.)
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not just small towns tho. those guys are from a super fucked up post-industrial part of Detroit.
nowhere towns is actually a good less specific way of putting it.
there's plenty of large towns/smaller cities that could qualify.
nowhere towns is actually a good less specific way of putting it.
there's plenty of large towns/smaller cities that could qualify.
padraig (u.s.)
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but fundamentally yes
it's like the apex of that kind of like anti-cultural defiance - heshers, nu metal, etc - giving zero fucks what arbiters of taste think
it's like the apex of that kind of like anti-cultural defiance - heshers, nu metal, etc - giving zero fucks what arbiters of taste think