Corpsey
bandz ahoy
This is the the deep Frederich tho.
The prelude to
I'm drunk right now, which is the shallows, the glorious shallows, where every thought bounces off the brittle surface of a teak-tough insouciance
The Depths
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The prelude to
I'm drunk right now, which is the shallows, the glorious shallows, where every thought bounces off the brittle surface of a teak-tough insouciance
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
I don't think it lasts very long, unfortunately, but there's a certain period of being pissed during which your abilities are enhanced by +3
My art criticism abilities are boosted right now, I could very easily take down Raphael with the analytical version of a bar stool
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
I was always drawn to electro. It seemed to be one of the few genres that never quite got took over the way jungle, house and techno did. There were many offshoots, even ones with electro in their name, but they never quite stole the essence of it. It felt like a genre that couldn't help but stay underground. Was it because the sound was too niche/subtle?
Whatever it was, the genre appears to be hardwired against commercialism and very much into subtly pushing it's agenda through aesthetics and mostly very minimal text. Themes of utopia, dystopia, science fiction, scorched earth, futurism, escapism, cyberpunk were all well explored. Unashamedly synthetic, one of the more forward thinking genres. Sound design is as important as composition. It feels like all of these factors make it a genre deep by default.
Earlier today I was watching an interview with a comedian and they were talking about some guy being a comedian's comedian. There's something about that label. A DJ's DJ or a producer's producer. this kind of ties into the good taste thread. What is it that makes someone a DJ's DJ? They know more? They play deeper cuts?
Anyway what I'm getting at is electro for me is like a genre's genre.
Whatever it was, the genre appears to be hardwired against commercialism and very much into subtly pushing it's agenda through aesthetics and mostly very minimal text. Themes of utopia, dystopia, science fiction, scorched earth, futurism, escapism, cyberpunk were all well explored. Unashamedly synthetic, one of the more forward thinking genres. Sound design is as important as composition. It feels like all of these factors make it a genre deep by default.
Earlier today I was watching an interview with a comedian and they were talking about some guy being a comedian's comedian. There's something about that label. A DJ's DJ or a producer's producer. this kind of ties into the good taste thread. What is it that makes someone a DJ's DJ? They know more? They play deeper cuts?
Anyway what I'm getting at is electro for me is like a genre's genre.
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pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
also, just want to throw in another thing that's been swirling around: David Foster Wallace's writing talks a lot about the curse of post modernity making people unable to be authentic because they are basically unwilling participants in this weird consumerist/individualist/shrouded in irony/self defense game. imo, this is antithetic to depth. so avoiding seeming too obvious, cliche or whatever even though that's where you instincts were taking you... idk just seems inauthentic. and that's no criticism, because we're all in this shit. i just feel like the depth thing, the real thing, requires us to not be so careful and tap into our instincts, which we should trust a lot more than we are trained to...
now this is a stoned and still ill from yesterday's virus thought, but whatever. it's friday.
now this is a stoned and still ill from yesterday's virus thought, but whatever. it's friday.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
without earnest expression, music like this would never have existed
Strata East i'm afraid, Luka.
discovered on one of the realest blogs that existed during the music blog golden period
this one covers the meditative and the thrashing in one 15 minute meal. Mtume's first 3 albums from the 70s are all full of nutritious goodness. quintessential deep jazz music. in this track you've got the ancestral memory, the chanting, the full bore drive, the realease of the tension, bass and percussion workouts. all very roots. all very real. played with total purpose and unflinching conviction. i want to know what happened to this attitude in music. i'm a big fan of his 80s work too. juicy fruit is undeniable. but i'd love to ask him about that transition, what went on? how he felt about it. had the time of black activism passed? did something happen in the 70s that felt like an end of an era? and people just went with it? in his redbull music academy lecture he talks about how when all the digital gear came along, synths, samplers and sequencers, he got into film soundtracks and this was his favourite thing to do. just go into the studio alone and come up with his own things. so maybe he felt like he'd done all he could in the 70s guise and he was just moving on. one of my favourite musicians of all time. his percussion work for miles davis' 70s electric shit is phenomenal. his solo work, some of my favourite spiritual/cosmic jazz ever. and the 80s shit is slicker than some kind of oily euphamism. a deeper than deep dude. very socially aware and it shows in his music.
Strata East i'm afraid, Luka.
discovered on one of the realest blogs that existed during the music blog golden period
this one covers the meditative and the thrashing in one 15 minute meal. Mtume's first 3 albums from the 70s are all full of nutritious goodness. quintessential deep jazz music. in this track you've got the ancestral memory, the chanting, the full bore drive, the realease of the tension, bass and percussion workouts. all very roots. all very real. played with total purpose and unflinching conviction. i want to know what happened to this attitude in music. i'm a big fan of his 80s work too. juicy fruit is undeniable. but i'd love to ask him about that transition, what went on? how he felt about it. had the time of black activism passed? did something happen in the 70s that felt like an end of an era? and people just went with it? in his redbull music academy lecture he talks about how when all the digital gear came along, synths, samplers and sequencers, he got into film soundtracks and this was his favourite thing to do. just go into the studio alone and come up with his own things. so maybe he felt like he'd done all he could in the 70s guise and he was just moving on. one of my favourite musicians of all time. his percussion work for miles davis' 70s electric shit is phenomenal. his solo work, some of my favourite spiritual/cosmic jazz ever. and the 80s shit is slicker than some kind of oily euphamism. a deeper than deep dude. very socially aware and it shows in his music.
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baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Top thread. Going back to the original post - the search for transcendent moments becomes ever more important in a cultural environment that privileges words stripped bare to their literal meaning role. Dogged, unholy literalism everywhere, a world where the pre-lingual and the subconscious are intellectual concepts not visceral truths.
So the search for transcendence becomes a direct response, claiming back an ostracised and core aspect of the human experience. And music is one of the best enablers.
Aka why militant atheists/Rationality addicts are even worse -and madder-than religious maniacs.
So the search for transcendence becomes a direct response, claiming back an ostracised and core aspect of the human experience. And music is one of the best enablers.
Aka why militant atheists/Rationality addicts are even worse -and madder-than religious maniacs.
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luka
Well-known member
The arc of attention is the problem though as you say. The sweet spot is barely an hour or two.
Depth as contemplation, memory, history. But the literary exploration seems to have turned sideways lately; from the vertical to the horizontal. Width instead of depth, the horizon and the landscape. Handke, Sebald, Gername. Also scale.
luka
Well-known member
This is part of what makes me slightly squeamish about this thread. Ive also switched to a horizontal axis. Away from transcendence and depth. I always think of Coltrane/Davis here.
"The shells are adjacent not stacked vertically. They tell you you can move upwards to conceal the fact you can move sideways. "
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Which is?
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Well I'd say the mtume track is exciting. And for me dubstep is 90% dull as fkn dishwater. Pseudo deep. Was cool in its early stages when the parameters weren't fully mapped.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
Sounds like a closet Phil Collins fan
luka
Well-known member
Sure and I'm not making an attack on your taste. It's just an issue with the rhetoric which has typically surrounded the word and the work it's been asked to do.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
And no offense would be taken if you were tbh. I don't get people being territorial with their tastes (well I do but it's daft) Like it's not in my interest to convert anyone to what I like. Always nice to share things you agree on, but also really stimulating to share things you disagree on and talk about the whys and the hows, as we've been doing a bit of on here lately. And I get your stigma problem with the word, but if anything I'm surprised you are letting that get in the way of anything. Because you seem to be committed to breaking free of so many of the social restraints imposed on us via superficial mechanisms