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Explain it to me. I don't understand it. You're the elder statesman here! What is the appeal for him?
I have an abiding soft spot for Zappa. I had a big enough Zappa phase as a teen that I actually had a poster of Zappa, sitting on the toilet, in my room at uni. Got me laid a lot, that did.
Nowadays it's mostly about liking the guitar soloes, which is almost certainly not the thing about Zappa Ben Watson likes.
But, I dunno, Zappa was just very emphatically his slightly grotesque self, would not be persuaded by anything or anyone to tone it down. Horrible, arrogant, self-regard - maybe. But I also take it as fighting one's corner, demanding that there be a place in the world for something as misshapen as oneself, to the point of spamming the world with as much of oneself - meticulously archived, every live show taped and indexed - as one possibly can.
I like that Ruth Underwood (the Mothers' fantastic xylophone player) remembers him with great affection and gratitude. He was often shitty about women, and sometimes a shit to them, but he always made room for fellow-travellers whoever they might be.
Nowadays it's mostly about liking the guitar soloes, which is almost certainly not the thing about Zappa Ben Watson likes.
But, I dunno, Zappa was just very emphatically his slightly grotesque self, would not be persuaded by anything or anyone to tone it down. Horrible, arrogant, self-regard - maybe. But I also take it as fighting one's corner, demanding that there be a place in the world for something as misshapen as oneself, to the point of spamming the world with as much of oneself - meticulously archived, every live show taped and indexed - as one possibly can.
I like that Ruth Underwood (the Mothers' fantastic xylophone player) remembers him with great affection and gratitude. He was often shitty about women, and sometimes a shit to them, but he always made room for fellow-travellers whoever they might be.
luka
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people who like Zappa like him partly becase hes naughty. they partly like him cos his enture body of work is a dense and allusive and self-referential text they can pore over and interpret in detail as Ben does in his Zappa book. they partly like him cos of the muscianship and fancy guitar solos. they partly like him as a kind of guru figure who guides them on their path through life.
Sounds very Gus this.
It seems like to like frank zappa you don't really have to have a sense of musical cool and calm, of being a connoisseur. 99% of London hasn't even heard of him. Very American.
Mr. Tea
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You should do a thread on all the many and various worst musics.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Zappa is the tits, fuck the haters
Moving to Montana soon,
gonna be a dental floss tycoooon
It's a miserable Friday night
I'm so lonely
And nobody'll give me a ride
To the Grateful Dead concert...oh rats!
I got to be free
Free as the wind
Free is the way
I got to be
Maybe I'm lost
Maybe I sinned
I got to be
Totally free
Moving to Montana soon,
gonna be a dental floss tycoooon
It's a miserable Friday night
I'm so lonely
And nobody'll give me a ride
To the Grateful Dead concert...oh rats!
I got to be free
Free as the wind
Free is the way
I got to be
Maybe I'm lost
Maybe I sinned
I got to be
Totally free
sus
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