Albums are a valueless medium. They always have been

[sadmanbarty]

But what if you listen to the B-side first?

this

 

[droid]

The main problem Im having with this thread is in the cataloguing all the ways Barty is wrong. Its impressive in a way, this rich tapestry of error he's weaved.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Not to confuse mulitple threads, but the Caretaker's point on memory (loss) and melancholia, for example, could never been made in a single. It needs an album to tell the whole thing in an observable way. Albums are only useless if they do not serve their point.

that’s cheating because ambient’s just any old shit, doesn't count

how much of this is informed by sonics and how much by the lyrics and abstract idea of the album? pr companies and critics have presumably created a narrative surrounding the album, is your enjoyment genuinely reflected in the music or have you superimposed it afterwards?

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[Numbers]

how much of this is informed by sonics and how much by the lyrics and abstract idea of the album?

How much music do you listen to as if it were just noise waves? This whole music-thing works because generally one assumes the sonics to mean something -- and sometimes precisely this improbable idea becomes its (only) meaning (Xenakis etc).

 

[luka]

The main problem Im having with this thread is in the cataloguing all the ways Barty is wrong. Its impressive in a way, this rich tapestry of error he's weaved.

Give it to us, in bullet point form if necessary!

 

[Corpsey]

Or you got it on tape so you can't skip tracks. you just have to sit there, through all the songs you don't like, until after a while theyve grown on you and now they're your favourites. You young people know nothing of this.

Don't know why this didn't occur to me, cos it is the more interesting way to look at it

Barty has grown up in a world of mp3s, happy slapping and political correctness gone mad.

He can never understand the frisson of sniffing 'Revolver' the first time before putting it on the platter.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Barty has grown up in a world of mp3s, happy slapping and political correctness gone mad.

that's me to a t

 

[luka]

If you take as a starting point the perfectly reasonable idea that there are things a musician or a group of musicians might wish to do that can't be done over the course of a single song, then the album seems to be inevitable, although as thirdform points out its actual length was initially dictated by material and commercial considerations.

 

[sadmanbarty]

How much music do you listen to as if it were just noise waves? This whole music-thing works because generally one assumes the sonics to mean something -- and sometimes precisely this improbable idea becomes its (only) meaning (Xenakis etc).

at 9.20 this morning i sent myself an email with a thread idea along these very lines. once this thread and third's peg it we can get into that.

 

[sadmanbarty]

'Revolver'

tomorrow never knows vs revolver

which is the better artistic statement?

 

[thirdform]

poor bastard, i've been subjected to joni mitchell and david bowie all at once. i don't know if i'll be able to stomach too much more.

ya daft cunt i gave you a good 5 hours of music for free ain't u even checked ur dms?

 

[luka]

tomorrow never knows vs revolver

which is the better artistic statement?

Neither are much good corpse was just using that as an example of something which was popular in the charts during our teenage years

 

[sadmanbarty]

ya daft cunt i gave you a good 5 hours of music for free ain't u even checked ur dms?

that turksih stuff? i replied and everything.

 

[thirdform]

Or you got it on tape so you can't skip tracks. you just have to sit there, through all the songs you don't like, until after a while theyve grown on you and now they're your favourites. You young people know nothing of this.

actually this is why it's a minefield trying to find old turkish music. most of it is on oxidised tapes.

 

[sadmanbarty]

luke thinks he's john, but is actually paul.

 

[luka]

If you take as a starting point the perfectly reasonable idea that there are things a musician or a group of musicians might wish to do that can't be done over the course of a single song, then the album seems to be inevitable, although as thirdform points out its actual length was initially dictated by material and commercial considerations.

Now take Blue, by Joni Mitchell. That is not a mood that you want three minutes of. That mood is a wallowing mood. You don't spray it on like Lynx deodorant and go about your day. That's inadequate for your purpose. You want to luxuriate in that mood for ages.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i'm definitely george and droid knows in his heart he's ringo.

 

[luka]

Say you get a good hold of that mood which is called feeling sorry for yourself. That is a lush mood. You get a good grip on that and you want to milk it.

 

[luka]

Say you get a good hold of that mood which is called feeling sorry for yourself. That is a lush mood. You get a good grip on that and you want to milk it.

Or say you're having a daydream, a really good one, you extend it for as long as you can. Get right in there, live it.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Say you get a good hold of that mood which is called feeling sorry for yourself. That is a lush mood. You get a good grip on that and you want to milk it.

i'm not arguing with this in the abstract, but as this thread is resoundingly proving, there aren't any albums that let you do this. there's something inherent in the medium that prevents this happeneing.