Thrive in '95 - Jungle's zenith

blissblogger

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with "Metropolis" i think it's the combination of the science and the ferality (if that's a word, which my spellcheck insists it's not)

it seems to have all the feral, marauding energy of "Terminator" or "Warpdrive" or [fill in your fave 93 darkcore classic] but there's a new level of cinematic accomplishment to the production

so it's a best of both worlds job

i kinda listen back on most of the music of that entire era now and smile at it really - i was just listening to a whole load Hidden Agenda stuff the other day that i never bothered to buy or even listen to at the time, with the exception of "Is It Love" which I loved - cos i became a partisan for the techstep direction - it's fantastic stuff, yes it's polished and self-consciously 'cinematic' , but in its own way just as valid and enjoyable.

the aggravation and the siding with one direction against another that i used to feel so intently, and express so vehemently - it's kind of faded away

feel like all of it was good, came from a good place - in terms of motives - in terms of that time and what was going on (whereas later on, 98 onwards, it started to feel like djs and producers were pandering, doing this bonehead music with very simple rigid beats, cos that's what the crowd on the floor responded to)

true though that none of the later directions were as as mental and magic and "all things contained within one roiling mass of insanity" as 92/93

but those moments in music are few and far between and they do tend to separate out into strands that do just one or two things very intensely and fixatedly, rather than 5 or 6 things at the same time
 
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thirdform

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you've never had a go at mixing have you that's why what i say makes little sense. djs attract a certain crowd, that crowd eventually ends up making tunes for the dj, they are copied by more people who make these tunes for dj, what you get is dj tools to pay the bills. randall was one of the best double drop mixers and look what happened when people started cutting dubs for randall, waste of potential.
 

thirdform

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it's just a cheapening of commodity. a lot of people want to cohere a status of aristocratic art on dance music which never made sense to me.
 

firefinga

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I wonder, how much Techstep was also a reaction to the deluge of coffeetable Jungle/Mo Waxation of Jungle/watered down Jungle-in-TV-Commercials - in other words a yin yang thing, getting back the ruffness...
 

thirdform

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Difficult to say with certainty who leads the move to specialised economies djs or ravers


both, but ravers can always opt out whereas djs have to shackle themselves to somewhat of a self-imposed aesthetic prison whilst deceiving themselves that they are moving things forward.
 

luka

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Thing about techstep is its very pure like when chemists isolate a psychoactive ingredient
 

thirdform

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I wonder, how much Techstep was also a reaction to the deluge of coffeetable Jungle/Mo Waxation of Jungle/watered down Jungle-in-TV-Commercials - in other words a yin yang thing, getting back the ruffness...

very much so but also wannabe gangsta shit like this.



come on there is no justifying this. proto-clownstep.
 

luka

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Like with bliss I'm less partisan than I used to which is why I say im just playing the structural role expected of me in this thread. It's not zealotry any more.
 

thirdform

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no but seriously you can't justify that shy fx tune. and i have a bit of an affection for the early jump up, but that was a harbinger of bad things to come. that sound though was the crap of big raves...

also droid, more tunes!
 

thirdform

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I guess for me the limit point is when things just become blatantly superficial. timbaland was making professionalised music by all accounts. but someone like timbo could not do it in jungle whilst remaining timbo. this is the thing, there are narritive fields that get obscured in the dance music economy over time. and yet dance music by its very nature can never truly go pop unless it wants to turn into a variant of disco or indie dance.
 

luka

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I guess for me the limit point is when things just become blatantly superficial. timbaland was making professionalised music by all accounts. but someone like timbo could not do it in jungle whilst remaining timbo.

Break this down a bit it's gone over my head
 

firefinga

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To actually get back to 95 tunes....

95 was also thre year people used Hip Hop (and Funk) samples more n more - here is an excellent example:

 

thirdform

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see edit to comment. that was what jump up was wasn't it? our cheap jungle goes (or tries to and fails) pop. our knock off ibiza. you can be a gangsta without having to pay the price of commitment. just smoke a huge spliff, ma2 jacket and you're set to go. you can go back to your job in advertising on Monday.
 

luka

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The hiphop samples are synonymous with jump up and I despise it like Savronella despised unrighteousness
 
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