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My gut feeling is there's no explicit strategy like there was in Italy, but that some of what we see is manufactured or nudged along and that the political and media machines have their uses for it whilst not being directly implicated or involved themselves.

In this particular case, I just see the smear campaign as right wing opportunism. An incident's occurred and they're looking to capitalise on it. I don't think it was planned or that they had any foreknowledge. They're just trying to twist a story to their advantage.

There's obviously levels to this stuff too. The FBI or a local police force could be directly involved in instigating something, but that doesn't mean other areas of law enforcement are aware or that anyone in Washington is or that it's coming 'from the top'.

The other thing to consider is what I was saying earlier about whether someone being, say, a retired federal agent and also being implicated in a terrorist attack has anything to do with the organisation or whether it's simply a case of an individual having their own agenda.

There have been cases where I've been suspicious of something bigger going on though. That alleged plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer in Michigan turning out to be crawling with FBI agents and informants being a prime example. Was that simply a case of law enforcement incentivised to encourage attacks in order to make arrests or was there a wider strategy in place playing on people's fears?

That Oath Keepers leader arrested for his involvement in Jan. 6 claiming to have been in the Navy then the FBI and to have held a top security clearance since the late 70s is another that raised an eyebrow.
 

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The internet's obviously a major change since stuff like the Years of Lead too so perhaps there isn't the same need for something like the Italian strategy when you can do the bulk of the work online through memes and chat apps and whatnot, like @padraig (u.s.) says.
 

Mr. Tea

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a strategy of tension isn't really about blaming your opponent so much as creating general chaos and confusion, anyway

and if Trump really excels at anything, it's that

and he's spawned a million little Trumps, out there in his wake

so maybe it doesn't really need to be a coordinated, structured strategy, if the effect is essentially the same
Flooding the zone with shit, to coin a phrase.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
My gut feeling is there's no explicit strategy like there was in Italy, but that some of what we see is manufactured or nudged along and that the political and media machines have their uses for it whilst not being directly implicated or involved themselves.

In this particular case, I just see the smear campaign as right wing opportunism. An incident's occurred and they're looking to capitalise on it. I don't think it was planned or that they had any foreknowledge. They're just trying to twist a story to their advantage.
A particularly despicable effort, even by current GOP standards
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Same old bullshit with a slight twist

"Guns don't kill people, wokeness does. Also godless queer people are the true cause of all America's problems."
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
But I agree it's hard to see at as a conscious, directed strategy akin to Cold War Italy (and Europe more broadly, all that Gladio stay-behind nonsense)

The conscious fostering of an atmosphere which makes it much more ideological attacks will happen, and the absolute lack of basic human empathy to capitalize on anything as an opportunity to advance yr partisan agenda (while accusing yr opponents of doing exact same thing - best way to preemptively forestall criticism), absolutely

And obv there is some # individual of racists, would-be fascists, etc in law enforcement and intelligence, and there almost certainly have been instances of collusion at various levels (American history is rife with that kinda bullshit)

Otoh skirmishing with "the deep state" was/is a major calling card of Trumpism

But the potential for Ondine Nuovo, Gray Wolves, Roberto D'Aubisson etc attacks and death squads is certainly there. I thought we might start seeing it the summer after George Floyd
 

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Really makes you feel like you're going nuts when you read about this lot still cheering on Trump despite him saying this whilst he was in charge,

 
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