This prompted Vice to run a piece on the Zinoviev letter and various other smears. I wonder how many people are aware of this stuff, the plots against Harold Wilson etc. I expect not many.
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This prompted Vice to run a piece on the Zinoviev letter and various other smears. I wonder how many people are aware of this stuff, the plots against Harold Wilson etc. I expect not many.
Mr. Tea
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How likely is it, do you think, that the Tories'll be able to implement this nakedly vote-suppressing voter ID policy, should they win a majority? The prospect is appalling. It could potentially disenfranchise enough mostly Labour-voting people that they'd have trouble forming a government ever again, I think I read somewhere.
John, what was the story you helped get taken down by the Sun? Was it the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory that was half sourced from InfoWars etc.?
John, what was the story you helped get taken down by the Sun? Was it the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory that was half sourced from InfoWars etc.?
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There's also their plans for boundary changes and the stuff in the manifesto about fucking about with the House of Lords, the courts etc.
I think we're in the territory of that David Frum quote tbh - "If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy". Everything the Tories are doing points to them being painfully aware of their base dying off and the younger generations despising them, so it looks as though they're doing their best to rig it rather than, you know, offering policies that will make younger people want to vote for them.
padraig (u.s.)
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best luck, yall
I don't even know what that means at this point - anything besides a Tory outright majority I guess - but nonetheless
I don't even know what that means at this point - anything besides a Tory outright majority I guess - but nonetheless
Mr. Tea
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sadmanbarty
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The remain campaign descending into a series of legal battles, “it was advisory”, “they cheated”, “Russian interference”
Trying to fight political battles through law
Trying to fight political battles through law
shiels
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Ambition, the cheek of it! Who sets the boundaries of credibility?
craner
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I'm not sure that is the case, manifestos are usually more tactical than strategic.
I think Labour had 2017 on their mind: apart from the policy and communications carnage of May's campaign, 'For the Many Not the Few' cut through surprisingly well to the electorate (this certainly surprised Labour more than they now like to admit). So when I say they bet the house on the manifesto, I mean in the sense that they actually believed they could repeat the strategy, and that doing it bigger would translate into a grand endorsement, a majority, maybe a dream landslide. It could be 1945 again: 'It's Time For Real Change' was designed to be their 'Let Us Face the Future'. The difference is, Labour in 1945 wrote their manifesto with zero conviction that they would actually beat Churchill straight after the war, and so let loose; whereas Labour 2019 have been organising their campaign with an unreal, indomitable optimism and will-to-believe. The first strategy was to circumvent Brexit (and Jews) by making the electorate an offer they could not refuse, and there is no reason why this would or could not work. But it doesn't look like it has, and their switch towards negative campaigning on the NHS is a tacit admission that was the case: they deployed Plan B. All I am saying is that if they lose then their time will be better spent trying to work out why the manifesto didn't work, rather than creating scapegoats and purging each other ("melts" etc.).
I think Labour had 2017 on their mind: apart from the policy and communications carnage of May's campaign, 'For the Many Not the Few' cut through surprisingly well to the electorate (this certainly surprised Labour more than they now like to admit). So when I say they bet the house on the manifesto, I mean in the sense that they actually believed they could repeat the strategy, and that doing it bigger would translate into a grand endorsement, a majority, maybe a dream landslide. It could be 1945 again: 'It's Time For Real Change' was designed to be their 'Let Us Face the Future'. The difference is, Labour in 1945 wrote their manifesto with zero conviction that they would actually beat Churchill straight after the war, and so let loose; whereas Labour 2019 have been organising their campaign with an unreal, indomitable optimism and will-to-believe. The first strategy was to circumvent Brexit (and Jews) by making the electorate an offer they could not refuse, and there is no reason why this would or could not work. But it doesn't look like it has, and their switch towards negative campaigning on the NHS is a tacit admission that was the case: they deployed Plan B. All I am saying is that if they lose then their time will be better spent trying to work out why the manifesto didn't work, rather than creating scapegoats and purging each other ("melts" etc.).
IdleRich
IdleRich
Ah ok, we're talking slightly at cross-purposes then. I was saying that campaigning for a GE is always a mixture of "real stuff" ie what you're planning to do and marketing etc which is a mixture of putting that across and making it sound good while making the other side sound bad and discrediting their people. I thought that you were saying that they had put too much into the former and not enough into the latter, whereas you were actually talking about whether or not the former had been well designed.
Mr. Tea
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Don't forget Mossad!
Worth remembering, too, that Labour's policies are popular. It's Corbyn himself that people have a problem with.
craner
Beast of Burden
You've probably got more insight into the way it's going to go than any of us, to be honest, as you've actually been out knocking on people's doors and asking them, plus you're not a true believer. For example, your bleak anecdotes about the stubborn loyalty to Brexit even after everybody was promised free wifi made me think the polls are probably correct this time.
