The Coming Authoritarianism.

Mr. Tea

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luka said:
this is not the way to form a position though is it, this is why you are uniquely mush-brained
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It's more the paucity of the arguments made against them, such as:

"They will discriminate against the most vulnerable" - no, it's the most vulnerable who've already suffered the most as a direct result of the pandemic, and who will gain the most through being vaccinated and being surrounded by other vaccinated people.

"I don't want the government tracking me" - fine then, I assume you've already trashed your laptop and phone and are living in a hut in the woods? Because if not, then you're just a blowhard poseur.
 
luka

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Mr. Tea said:
It's more the paucity of the arguments made against them, such as:

"They will discriminate against the most vulnerable" - no, it's the most vulnerable who've already suffered the most as a direct result of the pandemic, and who will gain the most through being vaccinated and being surrounded by other vaccinated people.

"I don't want the government tracking me" - fine then, I assume you've already trashed your laptop and phone and are living in a hut in the woods? Because if not, then you're just a blowhard poseur.
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i dont think this is the case. you get your sense of what 'the other side' think via quote tweets on centrist twitter
 
Mr. Tea

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thirdform said:
Well, the legitimate progressive position is we do not have sufficient evidence to call the shots of the booster re: neutralisation of omicron variant, either way, but initial results seem to indicate that antibody immunity induced by the phizer vaccine is escaped.

But it's hardly as if you don't take pride in ignorance, you just rotate it from the political to the scientific realm.
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Nobody really knows anything about omicron because it's only just cropped up, and I wasn't talking about specifically about boosters, either. I was talking about vaccination more generally.
 
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Mr. Tea

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Clinamenic said:
I actually suspect this will become a movement eventually, if it hasn't already. Radical luddism. Destroying parts of the IoT or even parts of the internet more abstractly.
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I wonder how these ideas will be propagated, though? Paper pamphlets handed out on street corners? Wild-eyed men carrying placards and yelling in megaphones? They usually get good results.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
I wonder how these ideas will be propagated, though? Paper pamphlets handed out on street corners? Wild-eyed men carrying placards and yelling in megaphones? They usually get good results.
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Actually I don't think these hypothetical radical luddites would have a problem using social media platforms, or maybe just old messageboard platforms like this. That is, I wouldn't expect such ideological consistency, just people who want to curb or combat the digitization of global society, which ultimately strikes me as a futile effort.
 
Mr. Tea

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Clinamenic said:
Actually I don't think these hypothetical radical luddites would have a problem using social media platforms, or maybe just old messageboard platforms like this. That is, I wouldn't expect such ideological consistency, just people who want to curb or combat the digitization of global society, which ultimately strikes me as a futile effort.
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The idea of people using Facebook and whatnot to propagate a message like "YOU ARE BEING BRAINWASHED! JOIN US TO GET UNBRAINWASHED!!!" has a certain appealing irony, it has to be said.

Using old-skool messageboards could be cool, too. Like a very specific version of the Amish: "We reject all technology introduced after 2003."
 
luka

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we literally have a thread about how to kill the internet. sufi says its just a matter of snipping a few wires like yyyyaldrin snipped teas testicular piping
 
luka

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How to Kill the Internet?

I had an interesting conversation in a hipster espresso joint on the corner by Cambridge Heath with a veteran internet developer, who said she's bearing in mind the possibility of a coming world free of the internet, and worrying abut how the youth who can't even remember life before the...
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Mr. Tea said:
Nobody really knows anything about omicron because it's only just cropped up, and I wasn't talking about specifically about boosters, either. I was talking about vaccination more generally.
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So what is your argument then? That people believe silly shit? That's been the case since time immemorial.

I don't go for the authoritarian/anti-authoritarian binary, but I would agree with yyaldrin that the left (or radicals at least) should have adopted a more critical position towards the state, whilst emphasising the danger of the virus. What we have is a real denying of reality rn (as in, a denying of reality that is actually grounded in the real) something which you seem to say is just the preserve of far right cranks. OK, it may be that, but then merely tells us that the right is winning given the liberal/left response has been to side with the state reducing most human intercourse to bare life and little else. Now you can go on about tory/republican incompetence if you want to play that game, but what is your response after that? That we are going to work to a hypothetically zero-covid scenario, a scenario that moreover will not come?

The problem with the anti-vaccers is not this, it's that they think that we can go back to normal. There is no new normal. A better way to think about this is covid is the first premonition of the impending climate catastrophe.
 
Mr. Tea

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luka said:

How to Kill the Internet?

I had an interesting conversation in a hipster espresso joint on the corner by Cambridge Heath with a veteran internet developer, who said she's bearing in mind the possibility of a coming world free of the internet, and worrying abut how the youth who can't even remember life before the...
www.dissensus.com
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Go on then, do it!
 
luka

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thirdform said:
So what is your argument then? That people believe silly shit? That's been the case since time immemorial.

I don't go for the authoritarian/anti-authoritarian binary, but I would agree with yyaldrin that the left (or radicals at least) should have adopted a more critical position towards the state, whilst emphasising the danger of the virus. What we have is a real denying of reality rn (as in, a denying of reality that is actually grounded in the real) something which you seem to say is just the preserve of far right cranks. OK, it may be that, but then merely tells us that the right is winning given the liberal/left response has been to side with the state reducing most human intercourse to bare life and little else. Now you can go on about tory/republican incompetence if you want to play that game, but what is your response after that? That we are going to work to a hypothetically zero-covid scenario, a scenario that moreover will not come?

The problem with the anti-vaccers is not this, it's that they think that we can go back to normal. There is no new normal. A better way to think about this is covid is the first premonition of the impending climate catastrophe.
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third has been taking notes from his favourite thinker, me.
 
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