sufi

lala
So he's refused to concede and is purging the military high command. Does this qualify as an attempted coup yet?
or if not, what would?
 

version

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Esper stepped down saying he won't be Trump's 'yes-man'. Esper's not a good guy, so you have to think -- what *wouldn't* he do?"

I've heard one of the things he wouldn't do was use the military against protesters when Trump asked him to.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I know you're all curious what Nick Land has to say about all this
he's firmly in that tradition of European philosophers whose philosophical erudition is awkwardly juxtaposed with opinions about American politics so dumb and crudely formed that it makes it very difficult to take their fancy philosophical ideas seriously
 

version

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I once read that Kendzior was controlled opposition and worked for the security services, but who knows. Anyone can say anything about anyone online.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
So he's refused to concede and is purging the military high command. Does this qualify as an attempted coup yet? or if not, what would?
it depends what you mean by "coup". clearly he's trying to illegally seize - or retain, in this case - power.

but a coup generally entails violence, and an organized, armed coup is still extremely unlikely

I don't want to say "impossible" bc who knows but the military has given no indication - that I know of - that it would back such a move

and despite the current intense climate of tacticool bro militia fantasy, without a significant portion of the military an armed coup ain't happening
 
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
keep in mind he hasn't tried to tangle with the active military high command yet

the President can as C-in-C fire (I believe) any general officer from an appointed position i.e. the Joint Chiefs of staff

but it would surely raise a massive uproar from a variety of quarters, so whether he could get away with it is another matter

Matt Milley - the current CJCS - has been very explicit, both over the summer after Trump's threats to use the military on protestors, and a couple weeks ago before Congress, that the military isn't going to get involved in domestic politics, including the election
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
as far as illegal retention of power, we're certainly headed that way but it's still a distance off

I don't discount the possibility but I still think it's like v unlikely, albeit less unlikely than an armed coup - say 1-in-20 vs 1-in-I don't even know, a million
 

version

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They're just going to put another chair in the White House and Trump and Biden will sit at the Resolute desk together.
 

Leo

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it appears trump is intent to keep his 2016 campaign pledge to bring troops home from Afghanistan and syria, and apparently that's what all these pentagon changes are all about. pros and cons to doing that, of course, but at least it doesn't seem to involve military here.
 

version

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I hadn't thought about it like this, but I guess there is some precedent for US elections being seen as illegitimate.
All recent presidents were tarred with illegitimacy: Clinton never won a majority, only pluralities, and was impeached; Democrats viewed both Bush elections as stolen; birtherism was an attempt to delegitimate Obama, and you can add to that the "Chicago politician"/ACORN stuff. Of course, there's the current guy with the Manchurian candidate narrative that emerged right after his election; and the likely next guy will be seen as having stolen the election by a decent portion of the country.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Somebody somewhere has a reason for claiming the president is illegitimate.... some reasons are better than other... I don't really get the point that quote is making.
 
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