The Teaching Machine.
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WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Did someone say child?
For the record the grotesque and disturbing positions you shit out go a bit deeper than that, yet you divert to glib throwaways when you experience a bit of interjected reality
Gus peppered me with questions about Celticism and so forth in dm’s initially, which I was happy to indulge. Unfortunately, I now suspect this literature may have been used as currency for identitarian wannabe Proud Boys somewhere in Ohio, to tap into their inner Taranos, Lugh or Morrigan (the latter involves skirts and avian life fwiw)
For the record the grotesque and disturbing positions you shit out go a bit deeper than that, yet you divert to glib throwaways when you experience a bit of interjected reality
Gus peppered me with questions about Celticism and so forth in dm’s initially, which I was happy to indulge. Unfortunately, I now suspect this literature may have been used as currency for identitarian wannabe Proud Boys somewhere in Ohio, to tap into their inner Taranos, Lugh or Morrigan (the latter involves skirts and avian life fwiw)
sus
Moderator
In DMs, Linebaugh grudgingly admitted that Wash's post upthread about institutional disillusionment is "kinda cogent ngl"
It is not cogent, it is profoundly stupid and facile, and rather than rebut Linebaugh's confusion in the DMs, I am going to make this case publicly, because it is very important that no one is going around confused thinking Wash has made some cutting point
My post was specifically a formalization of the idea that an institution is itself a selection environment with survival/death analogs, and that a "slow march through the institutions" (a la Adam Curtis's theory of what post-60s counterculture sought) is doomed from the get-go, insofar as success in the institutional game definitionally requires adopting and internalizing the institution's sense of value over a prolonged period of time. Transformation "from within" is much less possible, in this picture, and we are left with the prescription that those who wish to change the world should instead found new institutions, to compete with and displace the old.
This is not a radical, profound, innovative new point. It is very very basic. I have heard people talk about it before, albeit in more vague, confused, and casual ways. I was merely attempting to hammer down what the mechanism is.
Whether or not I am successful, this whole "wah wah institutions aren't perfect" caricature Wash has presented of my stance is the dumbest possible argument one could advance—it could be equally doled out against George Floyd protesters, Bruno Latour, or the women currently being beaten to death in Iran jails. There is nothing "cogent" about this "critique."
This is non-critique is followed by another non sequitur once again alleging (as is Wash's obsession) that I bear resentment towards "The Browns and The Gays"—a claim that is unsourced, unprovoked, and completely factually baseless. No doubt this idea has come into his head via a similar train of illogic that led him to believe I supported a "nonce hotel" and the widespread abuse/exploitation of children, simply because I have historically expressed not just sympathy but admiration towards non-practicing pedophiles (that is, those who cannot help or change their sexual attraction, but nonetheless live abstinent, chaste lives out on moral grounds).
I will re-iterate that admiration here by contrast: Wash is a middleaged worm who spends his days posting psychotic, sexually inappropriate, barely coherent psychoanalytic projections to a twenty-something he's never met, who has asked Wash repeatedly to leave him alone and stop being weird/psychotic/creepy/obsessive. Despite these repeated requests, and despite muting Wash, I still have to deal with ever-escalating and increasingly serious attempts at character/reputation assassination, as well as chiding from boomer Leo that I've "cancelled" Wash. No, I did not "cancel" Wash. I am cancelling him currently. Please stop being psychotically aggro and inappropriate and replying to all my messages with horny projective fantasies about cum, daddy issues, and kiddy porn. If you stop now we can move forward with our lives and pretend to be normal human beings/adults able to co-exist in a space despite differences of opinion.
It is not cogent, it is profoundly stupid and facile, and rather than rebut Linebaugh's confusion in the DMs, I am going to make this case publicly, because it is very important that no one is going around confused thinking Wash has made some cutting point
My post was specifically a formalization of the idea that an institution is itself a selection environment with survival/death analogs, and that a "slow march through the institutions" (a la Adam Curtis's theory of what post-60s counterculture sought) is doomed from the get-go, insofar as success in the institutional game definitionally requires adopting and internalizing the institution's sense of value over a prolonged period of time. Transformation "from within" is much less possible, in this picture, and we are left with the prescription that those who wish to change the world should instead found new institutions, to compete with and displace the old.
This is not a radical, profound, innovative new point. It is very very basic. I have heard people talk about it before, albeit in more vague, confused, and casual ways. I was merely attempting to hammer down what the mechanism is.
Whether or not I am successful, this whole "wah wah institutions aren't perfect" caricature Wash has presented of my stance is the dumbest possible argument one could advance—it could be equally doled out against George Floyd protesters, Bruno Latour, or the women currently being beaten to death in Iran jails. There is nothing "cogent" about this "critique."
This is non-critique is followed by another non sequitur once again alleging (as is Wash's obsession) that I bear resentment towards "The Browns and The Gays"—a claim that is unsourced, unprovoked, and completely factually baseless. No doubt this idea has come into his head via a similar train of illogic that led him to believe I supported a "nonce hotel" and the widespread abuse/exploitation of children, simply because I have historically expressed not just sympathy but admiration towards non-practicing pedophiles (that is, those who cannot help or change their sexual attraction, but nonetheless live abstinent, chaste lives out on moral grounds).
I will re-iterate that admiration here by contrast: Wash is a middleaged worm who spends his days posting psychotic, sexually inappropriate, barely coherent psychoanalytic projections to a twenty-something he's never met, who has asked Wash repeatedly to leave him alone and stop being weird/psychotic/creepy/obsessive. Despite these repeated requests, and despite muting Wash, I still have to deal with ever-escalating and increasingly serious attempts at character/reputation assassination, as well as chiding from boomer Leo that I've "cancelled" Wash. No, I did not "cancel" Wash. I am cancelling him currently. Please stop being psychotically aggro and inappropriate and replying to all my messages with horny projective fantasies about cum, daddy issues, and kiddy porn. If you stop now we can move forward with our lives and pretend to be normal human beings/adults able to co-exist in a space despite differences of opinion.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
"boomer Leo" 
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
A gracious (and self-deprecating (qua ironic self-aggrandizing)) elitist.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Alas, it is too rich a pudding, as my poet friend Luke once told me.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
You can’t read this but I know you’ll read it
Regrettably, there’s so much troglodyte transference going on in you and your theatre of ideas, possibly because you’ve got a big chip on your shoulder about life so far and not really grown into a fully realised adult yet, with all its chapters, intimacy, empathy, defeat (well, more on that below), responsibilities, death, raising actual children, a side affect as per your pro breeding policy and an occasional appearance of wisdom
Secondly, a philosophical approach beyond words salads might help. With you, your bigotry surfaced through half jokes but it’s a bit worse than you protesting too much. Ample coverage here in multiple exchanges, don’t be glib there’s a good pooch
Thirdly, it’s not my fault you found Obama fake porn sites in your Mum’s browser history years back and can’t accept satire
Fourthly, definitely 100% definitely don’t read this, at all, self censorship is a very noble path for one so young, 100%
luka
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Not everyone is a fan of these changes. Mark Ronson didn’t sound particularly enamoured in 2019 when he said: "All your songs have to be under 3:15 because if people don’t listen to them all the way to the end they go into this ratio of ‘non-complete heard’, which sends your Spotify rating down." Tove Styrke complained to the BBC in 2022 that she’s “sick of everything being the exact same formula” because “everything is 2:30”. Others have claimed “TikTok’s impact could literally halve the length of a pop record in the next 10 years.”
For songwriting teams, whose job is to maximise their playlisting and streaming, that means erasing the “boring” bits from their songs with “topliners” (AKA the people who create the vocal melodies, harmonies and lyrics over a beat) being drafted in to write killer hooks. Gone are fade outs and intros; now hooks come right in at the start of the song (“Poland” is basically all hook) and choruses arrive earlier and earlier.
the traditional verse, pre-chorus and chorus of songwriting is usurped. “It’s increasingly common for songs to begin in medias res,” they write, “with a hook, followed by a hook and ending with another hook.” Bad Bunny is a great example of this, particularly “Si Veo a Tu Mamá”. The release and tension of classic pop is essentially being rejected; everything is condensed.
For songwriting teams, whose job is to maximise their playlisting and streaming, that means erasing the “boring” bits from their songs with “topliners” (AKA the people who create the vocal melodies, harmonies and lyrics over a beat) being drafted in to write killer hooks. Gone are fade outs and intros; now hooks come right in at the start of the song (“Poland” is basically all hook) and choruses arrive earlier and earlier.
the traditional verse, pre-chorus and chorus of songwriting is usurped. “It’s increasingly common for songs to begin in medias res,” they write, “with a hook, followed by a hook and ending with another hook.” Bad Bunny is a great example of this, particularly “Si Veo a Tu Mamá”. The release and tension of classic pop is essentially being rejected; everything is condensed.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
luka
Well-known member
this isnt stupid, in terms of how the incentives create the behaviour
www.theguardian.com
The disturbing rise of Mizzy: this is what happens when culture values nothing but attention | Jason Okundaye
The 18-year-old former TikToker has been gaming a system created by his supposed elders and betters, says Jason Okundaye a writer and researcher
www.theguardian.com
version
Well-known member
this isnt stupid, in terms of how the incentives create the behaviour
The disturbing rise of Mizzy: this is what happens when culture values nothing but attention | Jason Okundaye
The 18-year-old former TikToker has been gaming a system created by his supposed elders and betters, says Jason Okundaye a writer and researcher
People do some insane stuff for clicks and likes. I saw a clip the other day of a couple of guys doing wheelies down the road and deliberately riding right up to cars coming the other way then swerving at the last minute. You'd think it's a matter of time before they get it wrong. I also saw one where a couple of guys played a prank on an old man where they pretended to cover his car in petrol while he was getting into it and were about to set it on fire and he pulled a gun on them.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Sounds like town
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
someone tweet him the Craner quote that everyone he loves will die for real
might cheer the cunt up
might cheer the cunt up
version
Well-known member
Boy killed in Rome crash reportedly involving YouTubers filming in Lamborghini
People in sports car were taking part in challenge to spend 50 hours in vehicle, according to reports
www.theguardian.com
shakahislop
Well-known member
saw an old episode of sex and the city last night (against my will). very much a teaching machine. part the edition of the teaching machine before twitter. don't know if it was just the specific episode, which centered on i) getting fucked in the arse and ii) women in their 30s sleeping with men in their 20s. but the didactic / pedagogical thing felt like it wasn't even covered by entertainment or humour, it didn't feel like something subtle, it felt like the main point
shakahislop
Well-known member
if social media is a teaching machine then its part of a continuum of teaching machines. probably someone else has already said that but i'm not going to read 22 pages to check
revisiting bits of late 90s / 00s media reminds me how bad the pre-internet days were. lost in translation and fight club. there's a weird cultivation of a kind of affected superiority especially in the early 2000s especially, a kind of misanthrophic thing. the idea that everyone else is stupid and shallow and you should be above it all. cold and steely.
revisiting bits of late 90s / 00s media reminds me how bad the pre-internet days were. lost in translation and fight club. there's a weird cultivation of a kind of affected superiority especially in the early 2000s especially, a kind of misanthrophic thing. the idea that everyone else is stupid and shallow and you should be above it all. cold and steely.