'Postmodernism' as Existential Threat.

[luka]

but really it was Hitler

 

[luka]

hitler + colonialism |+ patriarchy +

 

[constant escape]

lets say, broadly speaking, the anti-postmodern position is we were cruising before the clever jews etc invented these ideas

Are you suggesting we feel out this perspective from the inside, or find fault with it from the outside?

 

[luka]

Are you suggesting we feel out this perspective from the inside, or find fault with it from the outside?

i dont understand the question, forgive me

 

[vimothy]

but what if this radical uncertainty has been here since the beginning

 

[luka]

but what if this radical uncertainty has been here since the beginning

it has, as resistance to power, broadly speaking

 

[constant escape]

i dont understand the question, forgive me

It seems you are considering a right-wing, perhaps even spanning the alt-right, denouncement of the postmodern as a cultural ailment brought on by Jewish agendas.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

clearly there are two categories: those for whom slavery is moral and those for whom it is not. in which case it's not a universal morality

it is if you exclude the enslaved from full personhood (or whatever the threshold for reciprocal morality is)

the definition of "universal" is, as the examples shows, itself subjective

we'd all here and now agree (at least I hope) that human slavery is wrong in all forms and instances

would we all agree what the good universally is in every issue? I very strongly doubt it

 

[constant escape]

but what if this radical uncertainty has been here since the beginning

Even if it has, perhaps the development consists of the degree to which this uncertainty is viscerally felt by the average person, the degree to which is is digested into the culture.

 

[vimothy]

power is not necessarily associated with any one position

 

[luka]

It seems you are considering a right-wing, perhaps even spanning the alt-right, denouncement of the postmodern as a cultural ailment brought on by Jewish agendas.

forget the jews. the jews are the ultimate outsiders that all

 

[constant escape]

It seems you are considering a right-wing, perhaps even spanning the alt-right, denouncement of the postmodern as a cultural ailment brought on by Jewish agendas.

And I was asking if you were trying to explore that perspective from the inside, in the manner of going undercover into some kind of enemy territory, or if you were trying to attack it more straight-on from the outside.

 

[luka]

And I was asking if you were trying to explore that perspective from the inside, in the manner of going undercover into some kind of enemy territory, or if you were trying to attack it more straight-on from the outside.

i dont know im not clever enough but i think the crux is how univeralism is a cover for a dominant ideology

 

[luka]

i dont know im not clever enough but i think the crux is how univeralism is a cover for a dominant ideology

so the move is, politically, as a power struggle. against the formulation of universalism, as cover

 

[constant escape]

i dont know im not clever enough but i think the crux is how univeralism is a cover for a dominant ideology

You mean that the dominant ideology convinces itself that its values are universal values, and the trickle-down of this conviction constitutes hegemony?

Do you think it can be either a conscious or unconscious cover, or need it be one of the two?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

univeralism is a cover for a dominant ideology

that seems basically right to me

power isn't associated with a particular ideology, but it is associated with the powerful

 

[luka]

how you reformulate a univeralism that is a true universalism and not a cloak for power is the problem we are trying to grapple with, i think

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

for me all I really have to do to refute universal truth is ask "if it exists, what is it? who decided that's what it is and that it's universal?"

 

[vimothy]

it is if you exclude the enslaved from full personhood (or whatever the threshold for reciprocal morality is)

the definition of "universal" is, as the examples shows, itself subjective

agreed, that's an easy critique to make, but this argument is obviously problematic from the POV of a putative "universalism". its not really universal if you're excluding whole categories of person

 

[luka]

You mean that the dominant ideology convinces itself that its values are universal values, and the trickle-down of this conviction constitutes hegemony?

Do you think it can be either a conscious or unconscious cover, or need it be one of the two?

either, whatever, dont matter