sufi
lala
sorry our bonding got disrupted by Tea's dawkinsite racist trolling
Herbal Remedies
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sufi
lala
you're talkimg about percent of DNA?
i was under the impression that til recently there was no admission that we were part neanderthal, the idea was that we were descended from them rather than a separate (but now it turns out interbred) species?
Murphy
cat malogen
Most Europeans have Neanderthal heritage. A small Neanderthal population dwindled by intermixing with humans and competition over scare resources. 1% and plenty of disease
www.zmescience.com
Humans gave Neanderthals herpes, tapeworms and a slew of tropical diseases
Westerners are horror-struck by the prospect of an Ebola or Zika pandemic in their very own neighbourhood. Media panic aside, that's extremely unlikely thanks to modern medical science. Our close cousins, the Neanderthals, weren't so lucky tens of thousands of years ago when they first met us...
www.zmescience.com
sufi
lala
Lanchaster makes it out as less clear cut, but he's doing pop scienceMost Europeans have Neanderthal heritage. A small Neanderthal population dwindled by intermixing with humans and competition over scare resources. 1% and plenty of disease
Humans gave Neanderthals herpes, tapeworms and a slew of tropical diseases
Westerners are horror-struck by the prospect of an Ebola or Zika pandemic in their very own neighbourhood. Media panic aside, that's extremely unlikely thanks to modern medical science. Our close cousins, the Neanderthals, weren't so lucky tens of thousands of years ago when they first met us...
sufi
lala
the other thing i found interesting was that there were formerly folk in western europe who were basically disappeared by us lot, later asian immigrants.
I liked a lot the hydronymy stuff you mentioned - maybe our only leftovers from that lot of residents, and nothing much to do with dna
I liked a lot the hydronymy stuff you mentioned - maybe our only leftovers from that lot of residents, and nothing much to do with dna
Tell us more about this please, maybe in the AOS thread? Dont wanna lose the point amongst the fracas. I just finished the Baker bio earlier today and thought i really need to get hold of a primary AOS text so maybe this one you are quoting from is the one to go for. Baker dangles the carrot of ‘neither-neither’ and ‘inbetweeness’ ut doesnt actually go into them very well.
Woebot has a thing on ying and yan* in retreat, about how its been misunderstood. Anyone else reading that?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I'm not making this stuff up! It's a matter of record.this makes no sense,
you slag off "saudi schools" "saudi funded madrassas" for being islamic fundamentalists when you know fuck all about it
Saudi Arabian textbook controversy - Wikipedia
You're now claiming that objecting to racism is itself racist, just because the racists in this case are Muslims. Note that I haven't made a blanket statement about Islam, or about Muslims, or even about Saudi Arabia as a whole. I've made a claim about what is taught in schools there. And it's true. And it's not limited to Saudi Arabia: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/we-...es-admits-head-of-islamic-school-7189965.html
We wouldn't have these screaming rows if your worldview wasn't predicated on this extreme, fanatical Islamophilia.
Murphy
cat malogen
@sufi The Yamnaya certainly left an imprint, but there still a 20-25% older population that endured through the Beaker arrivals. 4000BC (see pic below) is ironic because that’s the rough arrival horizon of Neolithic farming packages hitting NW fringes of Europe - Brittany (bit earlier), south Scandinavia, Britain and Ireland. Problem was domestication brought unique disease profiles (anthrax, small pox etc). When Bronze-Age Yamnaya migrants hit Britain and Ireland circa 2400BC (Amesbury Archer), there’s a theory they arrived in places that had already suffered a major disease outbreak and were encountering populations in recovery. That checks the warlord off the steppe theory gone rogue theory partially
Probably plenty of intermarriage as is the human way, marriages unite clans, but certain key monuments were sealed and blocked. If you block access to places of special virtue and appropriate others, you get fusions of change and continuation. We’re fusions of post Ice-Age Palaeolithic and Mesolithic hunter foragers, middle eastern agriculturalists , Mediterranean farmers, Steppe migrants, Iberian Celts, German and Scandinavian arrivals, plus layers of plenty of others. Endlessly fascinating.
Probably plenty of intermarriage as is the human way, marriages unite clans, but certain key monuments were sealed and blocked. If you block access to places of special virtue and appropriate others, you get fusions of change and continuation. We’re fusions of post Ice-Age Palaeolithic and Mesolithic hunter foragers, middle eastern agriculturalists , Mediterranean farmers, Steppe migrants, Iberian Celts, German and Scandinavian arrivals, plus layers of plenty of others. Endlessly fascinating.
Murphy
cat malogen
Bronze Age diet
www.researchgate.net
(PDF) Beaker people in Britain: Migration, mobility and diet
PDF | The appearance of the distinctive ‘Beaker package’ marks an important horizon in British prehistory, but was it associated with immigrants to... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
sufi
lala
its so intriguing that this object, the beaker is so defining of this slice of european history and what must be left out - i don't think the function or aesthetic rationale for its shape are known isnt it? yet they are so widespread.
like those odd roman dodecahedroids - but even way less demonstrative
the lack of so much of the context is really eery
like those odd roman dodecahedroids - but even way less demonstrative
the lack of so much of the context is really eery
sufi
lala
or am i thinking of the bell beakers?
Murphy
cat malogen
Refining Bayesian dating models is some step, as would recovery of trace remnants of vessel contents, really hard if the fat content is low. This gives you an idea of where the arguments currently stand
Tons of new evidence from around the Mediterranean on the unique chemistry of certain mythical intoxicating potions coming out. That’s the problem with pottery - people got stuck in models of morphology which opened up material culture to post-structuralists, whereas now there’s some degree of balance post post-processualism. Add the odd artefact that might get found on an alpine peak, like Otzi, which opened up vast insights (his distinctive tattoos are still a bit of a mystery)
www.nationalgeographic.com
Tons of new evidence from around the Mediterranean on the unique chemistry of certain mythical intoxicating potions coming out. That’s the problem with pottery - people got stuck in models of morphology which opened up material culture to post-structuralists, whereas now there’s some degree of balance post post-processualism. Add the odd artefact that might get found on an alpine peak, like Otzi, which opened up vast insights (his distinctive tattoos are still a bit of a mystery)
This Was Ötzi the Iceman's Last Meal
It took 20 years to find his stomach. Now researchers know what was inside—in excruciating detail.
www.nationalgeographic.com
Murphy
cat malogen
Beakers make sense when you see them recreated in a hearth propped up. They’re the prehistoric equivalent of apex clay working at almost every level of society and, significantly, they’re deeply tied to cremations where the previous tradition was charnel ground skeletal scraps repatriated to the relevant collective tomb (ie non cremation).
sufi
lala
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That's such a shit argument I can tell you're not even convincing yourself.
If you think "there is some dodgy shit taught in schools in Saudi Arabia" - an objectively true fact, if you think racism, homophobia and misogyny are bad things - equates to hatred of Muslims then I can't really help you. It's a shame, because we really seemed to be getting on a lot better just recently.
sufi
lala
This entertaining yarn cropped up in the timeline today, an intriguing tangle of dna based confusion
The Skeletons at the Lake
Genetic analysis of human remains found in the Himalayas has raised baffling questions about who these people were and why they were there.
like the soul in every inanimate object