Emasculation of the Western Man

hmg

Victory lap
You couldn't waterboard material like this out of me.

That was our generations strength, total ideological anonymity and discretion.
 

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Read a fair point the other day that a lot of these supposed ultra-masculine ideas are coalescing into a kind of luxury punishment, where you must aspire to the wealth of the modern capitalist but all behaviours centre around subjugation of impulse and you end up spending vast fortunes to effectively discipline yourself
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Read a fair point the other day that a lot of these supposed ultra-masculine ideas are coalescing into a kind of luxury punishment, where you must aspire to the wealth of the modern capitalist but all behaviours centre around subjugation of impulse and you end up spending vast fortunes to effectively discipline yourself
You could probably save a lot of money by just paying Mistress Spanky to give you six of the best.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah I think it's very much like that. I saw a video with AT where he was talking about hosting a dinner party and he had loads of 'beautiful women' and probably, i dunno, serious entrepreneurial men as guests - and he didn't enjoy it at all cos as the prime alpha of the group or whatever the fuck he calls himself, his job was not to have pleasure, but, rather he had to organise it all and make sure their lobster thermidor was served perfectly to photograph for Instagram (er I mean eat) and make sure the ladeez were all comfortable, plus he needed to keep an eye on his investment portfolio (at a dinner party!) etc etc

I just don't get that at all - but all the comments under the vid were saying "quite right, the king is responsible for all of his subjects and he shouldn't be distracted by foolish bagatelle such as happiness".

I do think that there can be a thing where the kind of people driven to succeed in some fields such as - Bill Gates or Zuckerberg etc - just don't really enjoy the things that most of us do, which is part of the reason that when they make their first billion they are driven to try and make more instead of enjoying that - and I feel that this maybe is related to the way that people such as, say, Tony Blair who are attracted by power are the very last people who should be given any power.

But to my mind the Tate thing is not like this, it feels performative and fake. I think they are pretending to be above pleasure cos they think it makes them look serious.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Yeah I think it's very much like that. I saw a video with AT where he was talking about hosting a dinner party and he had loads of 'beautiful women' and probably, i dunno, serious entrepreneurial men as guests - and he didn't enjoy it at all cos as the prime alpha of the group or whatever the fuck he calls himself, his job was not to have pleasure, but, rather he had to organise it all and make sure their lobster thermidor was served perfectly to photograph for Instagram (er I mean eat) and make sure the ladeez were all comfortable, plus he needed to keep an eye on his investment portfolio (at a dinner party!) etc etc

I just don't get that at all - but all the comments under the vid were saying "quite right, the king is responsible for all of his subjects and he shouldn't be distracted by foolish bagatelle such as happiness".

I do think that there can be a thing where the kind of people driven to succeed in some fields such as - Bill Gates or Zuckerberg etc - just don't really enjoy the things that most of us do, which is part of the reason that when they make their first billion they are driven to try and make more instead of enjoying that - and I feel that this maybe is related to the way that people such as, say, Tony Blair who are attracted by power are the very last people who should be given any power.

But to my mind the Tate thing is not like this, it feels performative and fake. I think they are pretending to be above pleasure cos they think it makes them look serious.
It's all about impressing other men, or trying to, at least.
 
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