Do we really want out?

[thirdform]

the working class is completely capitalist and essential to capital and nothing else. It has no inherent moral worth separated from capital. Only when it rebels against its own existence as the working class does it open up the potential to go beyond.

 

[woops]

you can learn about the path from football hooligan to loved up raver back to violent psycho by watching @luka's favourite documentary, rise of the footsoldier.

 

[RWY]

The point that these things are incompatible, that rudewhy is making, is a variation of 'you have an iphone yet' and should get the response 'and what?'. his response is also libidinal, he's jealous. luke wants a book deal, craner wants a book deal, thirdform definitely wants a fucking book deal

I don't think my own libidinal desires are really much of a cause for interrogation. I hate to have to get all Mr Tea about this, but would it not be more worthwhile to consider the libidinal desires of all those men - and, if you want to start talking about biological drives, it is worth noting that it is mostly men - of the left whose sheer arrogance and meglomania has led them to believe that they are intelligent enough, important enough and deserving enough to be ruminating upon and diagnosing programs for the revolutionary upheaval and overturn of the whole of society? I may once have been envious of not holding the intellectual capacity to write a book on the history of Glasgow's municipal housing schemes, but at least I've never desired power far in excess of that which is legitimately attained by, and granted to, business leaders, politicians and royalty.

 

[Murphy]

Royalty? Typing this into YT has brought on a severe case of hives

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah I was with you until royalty.

 

[shiels]

This is the Louise mensch iPhone thing referred to on the worst panel show

 

[version]

I remember that. I don't think it's quite the same thing though. She was mocking them for getting coffee from Starbucks as though people can go without food and drink whereas selling books on critical theory isn't something you really have to do.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I don't think my own libidinal desires are really much of a cause for interrogation. I hate to have to get all Mr Tea about this, but would it not be more worthwhile to consider the libidinal desires of all those men - and, if you want to start talking about biological drives, it is worth noting that it is mostly men - of the left whose sheer arrogance and meglomania has led them to believe that they are intelligent enough, important enough and deserving enough to be ruminating upon and diagnosing programs for the revolutionary upheaval and overturn of the whole of society? I may once have been envious of not holding the intellectual capacity to write a book on the history of Glasgow's municipal housing schemes, but at least I've never desired power far in excess of that which is legitimately attained by, and granted to, business leaders, politicians and royalty.

Rubbish, you love to get all Mr. Tea about this.

 

[luka]

I remembered her the other day. She went mad like Carole Cadwaller. The great madness that spread everywhere. @Benny B was talking about it the other day

 

[luka]

it was because I did too much DMT it leaked out and contaminated the universe

 

[Leo]

who kidnapped @Rudewhy and is making him write these odd posts?

 

[luka]

He's deleted it now you made him self conscious

 

[shiels]

I remember that. I don't think it's quite the same thing though. She was mocking them for getting coffee from Starbucks as though people can go without food and drink whereas selling books on critical theory isn't something you really have to do.

but people can go without coffee and iPhones. The point is... why should it be a contradiction to desire the things that have been produced
under capitalism or benefit from its fruits while pointing out that it’s immiserating, destroying us etc

 

[shiels]

an idiot binary

 

[IdleRich]

Is Menschun still going?

 

[shiels]

our wants are complex and confounding and alien, not chosen

 

[luka]

our wants are complex and confounding and alien, not chosen

You say this a lot which suggests to me you have some proper fucked up desires. Real weird pervo horror stuff.

 

[Mr. Tea]

You say this a lot which suggests to me you have some proper fucked up desires. Real weird pervo horror stuff.

Watch out shiels, luka's nonce-sense is tingling!

 

[shiels]

It’s just that most people’s claim to have arrived at their positions and inclinations rationally is bullshit

 

[Mr. Tea]

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