Neon Screams!

[Corpsey]

Anyway, does feel weird to be arguing over this cos the neon dreams sound now seems like ancient history to me

When young thug first came out I guess he was taking his cues from lil wayne and kanye but it did seem really weird to me, and fresh

Now I would rather listen to boris johnson having a coke wank than another autotune rap record

 

[Corpsey]

Luka told me he thinks 'Brat' was 'the last great hurrah for experimental pop music this century' which i thought was very strange

 

[0bleak]

but if the premise is that the music in Neon Screams is so "out there", naturally the conversation is going to revolve around sound design, since that is the premise of the book, so I don't think I'm missing the point at all.

 

[pattycakes_]

It's a bullshit premise/book

 

[pattycakes_]

No way it won many converts

 

[luka]

it didnt win any converts at all but given the music it was discussing was already massively popular, essentually
the dominant paradigm, i dont think it really had to

 

[Corpsey]

He's saying listen to the way this rapper is having their voice fed through an autotune that's weird isn't it

And you're saying 'what are you talking about the beat that's under that rapper being fed through an autotune isn't weird at all'

 

[luka]

it wasnt saying here is this tiny underground niche scene the world is ignoring
it was saying
here is this globally dominant hegemon the critics and music nerds are undervaluing

 

[Corpsey]

Whether it is that weird that their voice is being fed through an autotune is open to debate ofc

 

[0bleak]

He's saying listen to the way this rapper is having their voice fed through an autotune that's weird isn't it

And you're saying 'what are you talking about the beat that's under that rapper being fed through an autotune isn't weird at all'

No, I'm not saying it's not weird at all.

 

[luka]

listened to two things on your list and its pure retro nostalgia so im even more confused about where youre coming from now

 

[pattycakes_]

Millions have been wrong before

 

[0bleak]

listened to two things on your list and its pure retro nostalgia so im even more confused about where youre coming from now

That's complete b.s.

 

[luka]

no, i did i promise. it's true.

 

[luka]

i listened to this one
¥ØU$UK€ ¥UK1MAT$U - Bedouin Voyager
and this one
D.K. - Gate Of Enlightenment

 

[0bleak]

Some of the music has people building their own new physical instruments so it would be impossible to be retro nostalgia.

 

[luka]

my analysis is that you are nostalgic for the music of your childhood but that you consider the music
of your childhood to be 'futuristic'. which is a strange kind of paradox i guess.

 

[luka]

that was also mark fishers position. the television and music of his childhood was the future. the present was nostalgic. its a funny kind of reversal when you think about it.

 

[0bleak]

I would have probably not even liked a lot of the music on that list in my childhood so that's a very strange analysis.

 

[luka]

it all sounds 40+ years old. it's antique.