Catalog's hip hop journey

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It's seems very contemporary for that moment - black conspiracy theories. The Invisibles was big, X-Files and so on. the news about the Tuskegee experiment breaking (can't remember when that was but around then?). What's changed is they way they're used and employed - I've taken on a more oppositional stance to them as they seem to me to become more and more a tool of the right rather than a more righteous paranoia.Interesting to listen to that track and think it through, it puts you back in that moment.

The Wayne Williams murders were also a big thing at the time aswell.

Its funny cause these theories and ideas were always presented by rappers in a fashion where they were schooling you on some hidden shit, "this is stuff that the news,your schools your government nobody is telling you and when you do you'll never look at the same again" they saw themselves as rebels of a system that was set up against them.

Trump,COVID and a bunch of other things have show how easy it is for these once rebels to now sound like the most disgruntled conservatives in the room and have them not realise that this is the case.

the idea of the NWO and putting microchips in the skins of babies doesn't sound so foreboding when its coming from your uncle/grandmother across the table at christmas dinner

 

[catalog]

that craner thread has writing on there that i really love. its all be me. but i love it. catalog i suggest you seek inspiration from
genius minnesottan @mvuent on how to deal this kind of forced conversion therapy. he generally deals with it pretty well

eg

mvuent's 2step vortex

mvuent is going to do a close reading of all of these one by one and we're all going to clap and applaud: it's not too important whether you like them or not; ideally it wouldn't be possible from your descriptions to tell if you do. for each post try and answer some of these or things in a...

www.dissensus.com

i do remember those threads vaguely but muvent is actually a music scholar who takes all this very seriously, i'm not sure i am up to it. i don't really thikn in that way. i've never been able to talk about music very well.

 

[catalog]

The Wayne Williams murders were also a big thing at the time aswell.

Its funny cause these theories and ideas were always presented by rappers in a fashion where they were schooling you on some hidden shit, "this is stuff that the news,your schools your government nobody is telling you and when you do you'll never look at the same again" they saw themselves as rebels of a system that was set up against them.

Trump,COVID and a bunch of other things have show how easy it is for these once rebels to now sound like the most disgruntled conservatives in the room and have them not realise that this is the case.

the idea of the NWO and putting microchips in the skins of babies doesn't sound so foreboding when its coming from your uncle/grandmother across the table at christmas dinner

did someone already say this, either on her eor maybe it was arthur jafa or kodwo or someone. but this idea that black music destroys the archive. does not give a fuck. it's constant innvoation. so me now, listening to this, from 1995, there's such great distance, it's not new, and hip hop is really about the now and the new

 

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web esc can you tell me if my engagement on this thread is ok so far. what do you want more of? what less?

other than maybe to develop your thoughts a bit more its fine, this ain't school i'm not gonna tell you how to engage the fact that you're putting your neck out there is enough.

whether it be one post with one sentence or 5 with paragraphs its fine by me, sometimes you don't feel like you can come with some kind of long winded explanation. It happens

 

[versh]

did someone already say this, either on her eor maybe it was arthur jafa or kodwo or someone. but this idea that black music destroys the archive. does not give a fuck. it's constant innvoation. so me now, listening to this, from 1995, there's such great distance, it's not new, and hip hop is really about the now and the new

This seems to run counter to what Ishmael Reed says about writing and how the tradition's completely ignored by white tastemakers who just pluck out Baldwin or whoever and think they've got it covered.

"... we are limited to renaissances, each generation canceling the previous ones."

 

[catalog]

and there was also that thread recently about how funk or something wasn't very good until hip hop rediscovere dit

 

[catalog]

This seems to run counter to what Ishmael Reed says about writing and how the tradition's completely ignored by white tastemakers who just pluck out Baldwin or whoever and think they've got it covered.

"... we are limited to renaissances, each generation canceling the previous ones."

i think that's a bit different tbh cos black writing and black music are 2 different things and black music is universally acknowledged as the best there is but it's not really the same re the writing

 

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and there was also that thread recently about how funk or something wasn't very good until hip hop rediscovere dit

god i saw that and was shaking my head at the whole idea

 

[luka]

This seems to run counter to what Ishmael Reed says about writing and how the tradition's completely ignored by white tastemakers who just pluck out Baldwin or whoever and think they've got it covered.

"... we are limited to renaissances, each generation canceling the previous ones."

i was thinking yesterday about how just becasue of the realitive newness of the genre rapper until very recently had imbibed the entriety of its history before they started making music. not by seeking it out or studying, solely by osmosis

 

[luka]

but we've just recently reached the point where you can have a young rapper say (disengenuously or otherwise) whos Biggie?
and that represents quite a significant break

 

[luka]

of course

 

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i was thinking yesterday about how just becasue of the realitive newness of the genre rapper until very recently had imbibed the entriety of its history before they started making music. not by seeking it out or studying, solely by osmosis

not only this but the generation of rappers alot of us grew up with there were no real templates for what they were doing they were building the plane as they were flying it so to speak.

you look at a group like say Camp Lo whose whole thing is that they look and rap like they stepped out an early 70s blaxploitation movie and nobody has done that before or since

 

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anyway @catalog look forward to tomorrow i got two more tunes in the pipeline for you to engage with,i might be busy though as its my mums birthday tomorrow aswell

 

[catalog]

happy birthday mrs eschatology!

 

[luka]

happy birthday mum!

 

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i got her The Master and Margharita as a present

 

[luka]

i got to be honest i dont understand that greedeo/drakeo stuff one little bit. like most new things it just makes me feel lost and confused.

 

[luka]

ive tried with them a few times over the years. i can get my head round the detroit gear but not the west coast stuff

 

[DannyL]

anyway @catalog look forward to tomorrow i got two more tunes in the pipeline for you to engage with,i might be busy though as its my mums birthday tomorrow aswell

Damn, I really should have posted the lesser known Thug track "Mummy's birthday"

 

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Danny please don't