Clinamatic's venture to the rap dungeon

[version]

it may well be. although new york at the tail end of the seventies looks like it was even worse in many regards. fascist paramilitries with names like the savage skulls roaming a bombed out, burning wasteland.

'Welcome to Fear City' – the inside story of New York's civil war, 40 years on

‘Stay away from New York City if you possibly can’ was the stark warning that greeted visitors 40 summers ago - courtesy of a ‘survival guide’ that symbolises one of the most turbulent periods in the city’s history

www.theguardian.com

 

[woops]

perhaps people still wanted the party atmosphere in fear city wartime but the rapacious crack thing and correspondingly larger fortunes at stake account for the harder edge?

 

[forclosure]

Wildly offtopic but I don't agree. Stylish analogy though it is. My old man was in the bookies all the time and there's an air of deep despair and misery. It's a very working class pursuit. I get the sense crypto is much more "bro-ey" full of obnoxious overconfident Americans.

that's there but i'm talking guys younger than your old man i mean

there needs to be a better descriptor for this sort of obnoxious overconfident attitude but for Britian cause when i hear "bro/broification" it just screams America and we don't have "bros" over here like that

 

[forclosure]

it may well be. although new york at the tail end of the seventies looks like it was even worse in many regards. fascist paramilitries with names like the savage skulls roaming a bombed out, burning wasteland.

I mean this is exactly what people brought up in articles talking about Trump is that his outlook on the world was formed and trapped in that kind of late 70s early 80s period of New york

 

[forclosure]

its that plus also the fall out of the black revolutionaries at the tail end of that time too so many of them ended up locked up, dead or had to go into exile (a few of them funny enough went corporate)

Tupac is the one everybody points to cause he wielded it like a flaming sword(and arguably used his mothers rep as a way to excuse his worst transgressions) but there's other rappers and lets not forget the goons and crime figures who were in the mix who were the sons/daughters,grandsons of those members

 

[forclosure]

perhaps people still wanted the party atmosphere in fear city wartime but the rapacious crack thing and correspondingly larger fortunes at stake account for the harder edge?

its not even just the part atmosphere its that people straight up wanted to make music but they couldn't afford any instruments to do it, similiar to reggae in some ways

There's a theory that the 77 black out in NY might have sped up rap's birth because in the midst of all that people broke in to shops to steal the equipment

 

[forclosure]

here's some supplementary material @Clinamenic

 

[version]

Does crack feel that different to coke? Anyone here tried it?

 

[forclosure]

Does crack feel that different to coke? Anyone here tried it?

of all the questions...

if they had tried it they wouldn't be still on this site or if they are whatever kind of bullshit libertine/transgressive thinking led to that decision ought to get a kick in the forehead

 

[version]

I'm just thinking about the contrast between cocaine glamour and crack squalor. They're both cocaine but the image surrounding them couldn't be more different.

 

[forclosure]

I'm just thinking about the contrast between cocaine glamour and crack squalor. They're both cocaine, but the image surrounding them couldn't be more different.

yeah and you can split it down racial lines aswell of course there's cross overs and mixture but at base level idiot stereotypes and perceptions

George Clinton once brought up the dichotomy that "Funkadelic is heroin and Parliament is coke" and that works the same way

 

[forclosure]

cocaine's got the glamour cause its seen as a party drug and that's going centuries back

 

[wg-]

that's there but i'm talking guys younger than your old man i mean

there needs to be a better descriptor for this sort of obnoxious overconfident attitude but for Britian cause when i hear "bro/broification" it just screams America and we don't have "bros" over here like that

You're talking about the roulette machine lads who tailed off once they changed the spend limit I thought?

As opposed to old lad betting on the horses

Saturday accas and a packet

 

[forclosure]

You're talking about the roulette machine lads who tailed off once they changed the spend limit I thought?

As opposed to old lad betting on the horses

Saturday accas and a packet

yep that lot

 

[DannyL]

I'm just thinking about the contrast between cocaine glamour and crack squalor. They're both cocaine but the image surrounding them couldn't be more different.

Spitballing here but I suspect it's do with the consumers, how they fund drugs purchases and where the money goes, networks of distribution etc
ie. cocaine is funded by wages, crack consumption is funded via the proceeds of crime.

So much later rap (esp Southern stuff?) is effectively lectures in the economy of the crack trade

 

[woops]

So much later rap (esp Southern stuff?) is effectively lectures in the economy of the crack trade

This is exactly the kind of thing that will make stan pay attention.

 

[luka]

Does crack feel that different to coke? Anyone here tried it?

@IdleRich has it for breakfast most mornings

 

[luka]

Anyway, to Craner and any others amongst you heartless bastards who care if I live or die - you at least may be pleased to know that I got back from a friend's place at about 3 or 4pm feeling more than slightly frazzled, I'm now in the process of gently rebuilding my brain by just chilling out at home, lying on the bed, watching mindless soothing telly and smoking crack.

 

[woops]

he'll get up in a few hours and write us a few paragraphs about it

 

[forclosure]

he'll get up in a few hours and write us a few paragraphs about it

this time around he'll probably think i'm from Memphis Tennessee?,Egypt? take your pick