the return of the real

wild greens

Well-known member
Well, Eco-Socialism has been a coverall term for some European democracies previously but that's not what i really mean here. I have just made up the term in this sense so it needs a better name

But- It's obvious that a stagnating US economy will need to find a way to re-inject money into the workforce and the increasing digitalisation/AI proliferation will inevitably mean big losses to working class, robotics in warehouses etc

Green New Deal is the only way left to try and create a new workforce in the economy, massive investment in solar and hydro power and retraining workforce, uplift in manufacturing industry etc

The reply tweets basically nod towards to it anyway

 

luka

Well-known member
no. you were the cleverest for a bit when you first come out but youre brain rotted after the first year now youre of average intelligence.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
no. you were the cleverest for a bit when you first come out but youre brain rotted after the first year now youre of average intelligence.
So the quality of 'well-adjusted' is mutually exclusive to the quality of 'clever' then?
 

wild greens

Well-known member
I have just had an idiosyncratic career that makes my perspective seem novel

There are a few bits in that i find quite difficult to figure out how to transition past theory though. I have been working on a job with complications re "sustainable steel" recently, I assume they're going to have big issues with it if the UK try and participate as with most initiatives.

With BSEN 1090-2, there's v little info on how to re-use steels from previous structures so if you're on a big refurb then trying to re-incorporate them into modernising structure proves nearly impossible. PMI testing to understand mechanical properties & identify grade is there but but once you try to introduce welds into old steels then the execution-classes etc become really vague. It seems like you will end up having to just create new structures and fix into new concrete in a lot of instances.

This is going to take a lot of figuring out w/ design codes to become a viable option regards true sustainability in construction, as getting to actual sustainable steel production is fucking miles off & re-using existing gear would massively help a lot of developers with their carbon savings
 

vimothy

yurp
Well, Eco-Socialism has been a coverall term for some European democracies previously but that's not what i really mean here. I have just made up the term in this sense so it needs a better name

But- It's obvious that a stagnating US economy will need to find a way to re-inject money into the workforce and the increasing digitalisation/AI proliferation will inevitably mean big losses to working class, robotics in warehouses etc

Green New Deal is the only way left to try and create a new workforce in the economy, massive investment in solar and hydro power and retraining workforce, uplift in manufacturing industry etc

The reply tweets basically nod towards to it anyway

OIC

I agree to some extent. I think trade and industrial policy will increasingly come to the fore. One reason for that is to pursue energy transition and climate targets, and you could describe this as a kind of "eco-socialism". I think we'll also see a lot more of the "de-risking" approach that ppl like Daniela Gabor describe, where the state entices private capital to become involved in the energy transition by bearing a lot of the downside risk, altho that seems more like a form of state capture than any kind of socialism. The other important factor, however, which is not climate-motivated but does overlap with climate policy in a number of places, is the shift of paradigm to one in which the world is becoming more multipolar, defined by great power competition between the US and China. Is this kind of a world, economic policy and even climate policy can't be viewed in isolation from geopolitics, and in fact in the view of ppl like Jake Sullivan in the Biden admin, must be subordinated to it.
 

vimothy

yurp
someone on twitter described this new paradigm as "national security kenynesianism", which I think is pretty accurate. ultimately the us seems to be positioning itself for a new cold war of sorts with china, motivated presumably by the perceived fragility of democracy in the us (shadow of trump etc) under the impact of the "china shock"
 

vimothy

yurp
adam tooze made the interesting point in one of his recent podcasts that one distinguishing factor between the cold wars is that in the old cold war, questions of economic growth and openness were unproblematic bc they all impacted the us and its allies positively and the ussr and its allies negatively, whereas in the new cold war that is no longer the case. today the effects of economic growth are more ambiguous and china is even potentially more positively oriented to them than the us
 

vimothy

yurp
a major front in the conflict, perhaps the major front, is the "chip war":

In many ways, the October 7 policy was narrowly targeted.... However, the implementation approach and underlying logic of the new regulations marked a major reversal of 25 years of U.S. trade and technology policy toward China in at least three ways.

First, rather than restricting exports of advanced semiconductor technology to China based on whether the exports were related to military end-uses... the new policy restricted them on a geographic basis for China as a whole.

Second, previous U.S. export controls were designed to allow China to progress technologically, but to restrict the pace so that the United States and its allies retained a durable lead. The new policy, by contrast, actively degraded the peak technological capability of China’s semiconductor industry....

Third, to the extent possible, the policy seeks to prevent China from ever again reaching certain advanced performance thresholds in semiconductor technology. Rather than revising the performance thresholds upward every few years as had been done in the past, the Biden administration intends to hold those benchmarks constant, meaning that the gap in performance will grow over time as the world advances and China remains stuck behind

 

luka

Well-known member
I once asked Thomas Nagel where I could find the line attributed to him in Not-You (1993) – ‘Love of semiconductors is not enough’ – and initially he denied having written it. When, having found the answer elsewhere, I put it to him, he was delightfully surprised.
 
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