Gus's Top 100 Bootlickin' Nonce Anthems
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- absolute cringe ari grass you up basic boy scout ted bundy coachella 2024 at the nonce hotel cum cult dad was a casual whistler fit mom! gandalf had to sell the home grandad was a cuck gus lord of darkness high school shooter memoires joanna newsom come to butthead jordan petersons gremlin child let the wrong 'un in no theory at the merch table! nonce upon a time pete doherty qpr plod pizarro was fastidiously kept in a bolivian tomb power bottom thems the rules spatial cathexis spots like pitchfork superstitious middle aged italian woman neurosis the deplorable product of craner's infamous fling these boots are made for lickin' undercover plod
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Literally nobody. You're not even tangentially related to the discussion. You barely participate in music boards, you're not from London, you don't listen to the nuum, and you haven't been participating in this thread. Where could you have gotten the idea that anyone was talking to you, let alone taken it personally and decided to fire back
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Thirdform's literal last message, just 20 minutes ago, was to affirm my accusation of his "hegemonizing impulse" as being "correct" and in fact so obvious that we'd already established it upthread. Do you know how to read Leo, or do you have three stock phrases you deploy every time my username pops up on the dash?
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Thirdform at least comes at me with some energy. He comes into the ring gloves on, in shape, fresh faced from the gym. Half the time I have no idea where the punch will come from (whether it makes contact is a separate issue). Low Energy Leo, on the other hand, comes in with the most vapid cliches you'd swear he was senile, and I'm supposed to take it easy on him? No. I destroy him. Come back when you can run a ten minute mile.
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don’t drag the Spanish catholic church into this
and yet you seem to be gleefully delighting in the ubiquotousness of algorithmic processes, which will kill worlds at a much faster rate without barbaric reappropriation.
sus
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Fair, but I think the implementation details matter more than whether or not algorithms are ubiquitous. A diversity of algorithms shouldn't lead us to monoculture, and coupled with all the DIY music production/recording tech available I'm very optimistic. Probably at some point in the next 50 years every Spotify user will have his own little neural net 2.0 with its unique perception and value system.
the only way to circumvent the algorithms is to come out with world gosplan whilst they remain in their primitive, decentralised state. All decentralisations, local fetishes and organic communities must sooner centralise. This is inherent to their continued existence. Better to nip the whole edifice in the bud. Jungle and Umm Kulthum on world television, indeed. None of that democratic Phoebe Bridgers bizniz!
sus
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Something like the invention of recorded music was IMO a much greater threat to local diversity. We all know what happened when Lomaxes first went out into Appalachians, and when they returned post-recorded sound. Obliteration of local eccentricity. Terrible. But inevitable. Machine learning concerns me much much less because it economically supports "long tail" listening and by solving the discovery problem, can match audiences to artists and support a richly diverse plethora economic niches.
But this isn't multiculture, this is just a resurrection of the culture of genius! All atomised in your pod with your own neural net, with no external constraints. Why even listen to music then?
based on that criteria, Jungle is a multiculture in a way your music isn't.
you can disdain the nuum all you like, but you fail to realise that its non-musical qualities are precisely what makes it worthy of discourse. Music for musics sake is just so much noise. Is such a thing even possible? Even artists who don't want to engage in politics or financial concerns have to be motivated by processes.
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Again, fair, but this isn't about the future of algorithms, it's about your anti-diversity stance! Quit misdirecting and give an impassioned defense of centralization
I don't need to. Like I said, your boys and girls have vindicated us. Sophie, A. G. Cook, Danny L Harle, Pink Pantheress, even Polachek.
The indie kids realised that all the musics descended
from house and hip hop was where this exalted DiY spirit came from, not radiohead or Kaiser Chiefs, or heaven forbid, Chumbawamba.
This is totally correct and one of those things is the politics of race in the UK and how the music of the nuum represented the diversity of the UK. Maybe hard to get if you're outside that, idk.
Normal rock criticism just reproduced the hierarchies of wider society. White blokes at the top, proper music. Focusing on garage, d&b and so on decentralises that and the anonymity of dance music production mirrored the racial mixing and diversity occurring in UK society. I think this is what Thirdform is getting at with his comments about kitsch and trash above - ways out of whiteness.