Leo
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why is that question posed to Democrats?
and can you explain what you mean by unprincipled?
The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General
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why is that question posed to Democrats?
and can you explain what you mean by unprincipled?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Of course he fucking can't. This is @mixed_biscuits here. You surely know by now that his whole schtick is to make statements that do to your brain what a hagfish's slime does to the jaws of a would-be predator.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Further grimness:
www.businessinsider.com
Florida courts could allow 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state
Senate Bill 254 would allow Florida courts to end or modify out-of-state custody agreements if a child is allowed to take hormones or puberty blockers.
www.businessinsider.com
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
The sense of unease Catalogue picked up on is just the surface tension of US life. Working in DC with my brother et al could be brutal @padraig (u.s.) , cap-police particularly harsh even compared to Philly. They’d regularly sweep Rock Creek Pk and Dupont Circle which could spill over all the way to venues like the 9:30 club at times. Can’t imagine it’s improved, all instituted from elements within structures who like to agitate
The escort network is deep as fuck, shocker, see GOP visa records and every foreign state and corporate intelligence service. Anywhere around the more Latino heavy gaffs in Colombia Heights and its layered buttress park off 16 St admittedly a free for all with addicts, dealers, guns, prostitution and homeless mixing was regularly blitzed. Even student-heavy Adams-Morgan could get pigged hard but the heaviest treatment was always saved for sex workers in Anacostia. HiV shaming, constant use of faggot by DC police as a slur, Marion Barry’s story was still in the air with its onerous racial overtones and nothing screams repressed homosexuality more than US state trooper attired polis pulling over dark sunglassed pentagon officials for cheating the beltway hov lane
This aspect of self denying repression is anathema even to Euro-Protestant remnants, who have alcohol to worship, another self-denying ingredient. Rightly or wrongly, Burroughs gets at elements of such worlds and shines a small light, which brings us to Control. I wouldn’t use terminology like US national psyche because that’s absurd, more a deeply repressive stamp that many here can’t envisage because of light police experiences, queerness and unfamiliarity with firearms beyond fiction
You can bootstrap and coordinate, the US is never short of industrious, capable, committed people but it also has an incredible ability to deny its own diverse nature through Control. It’s ingrained and unfortunately I see no way of effecting actual behavioural change beyond maintaining a sense of dignity in the face of ignorance and sustained legal support services, sexual health outreach clinics and multiagency approaches which chip away at the wall
The escort network is deep as fuck, shocker, see GOP visa records and every foreign state and corporate intelligence service. Anywhere around the more Latino heavy gaffs in Colombia Heights and its layered buttress park off 16 St admittedly a free for all with addicts, dealers, guns, prostitution and homeless mixing was regularly blitzed. Even student-heavy Adams-Morgan could get pigged hard but the heaviest treatment was always saved for sex workers in Anacostia. HiV shaming, constant use of faggot by DC police as a slur, Marion Barry’s story was still in the air with its onerous racial overtones and nothing screams repressed homosexuality more than US state trooper attired polis pulling over dark sunglassed pentagon officials for cheating the beltway hov lane
This aspect of self denying repression is anathema even to Euro-Protestant remnants, who have alcohol to worship, another self-denying ingredient. Rightly or wrongly, Burroughs gets at elements of such worlds and shines a small light, which brings us to Control. I wouldn’t use terminology like US national psyche because that’s absurd, more a deeply repressive stamp that many here can’t envisage because of light police experiences, queerness and unfamiliarity with firearms beyond fiction
You can bootstrap and coordinate, the US is never short of industrious, capable, committed people but it also has an incredible ability to deny its own diverse nature through Control. It’s ingrained and unfortunately I see no way of effecting actual behavioural change beyond maintaining a sense of dignity in the face of ignorance and sustained legal support services, sexual health outreach clinics and multiagency approaches which chip away at the wall
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Completely legal in Rhode Island, which is correct
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
a comparison could be drawn between Virginia, which is only really democrat in its northern suburbs and a red state beyond the beltway and Maryland over the bridge
Benny Bunter
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Giving children hormones and puberty blockers and cutting off the breasts of teenage girls are awful things to do.
Leo
Well-known member
I must have missed when you posed this same quandary to Republicans, perhaps you can link to it.
sus
Moderator
Mr Tea you live in England you don't have a Republican partyI just googled "republican sex offenders" and found this, the title of which say it all, really:
Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers Pt. 32
This is the 32nd installment in the list of Republican sexual predators, abusers, and enablers who contribute to rape culture. These are people who abused their power or defended the abuse of power. These are not folks caught in consensual scandals...www.dailykos.com
sus
Moderator
I think this is very fair. I think if consent is your ultimate ethical value, you need to bite the bullet on incest or say why it's different.
Obviously this question is posed to Democrats because that's the party pushing consent as the ultimate ethical arbiter. Don't play dense Leo.
I think questioning the problems of consent as ultimate ethical value is (1) important (2) rather common nowadays in social leftist discourses. I get why the knee-jerk hostility, but this is a very normal area of concern even among social justice folks. Once you introduce the problems of charisma, power dynamics, inebriation, mental illness, consent gets very messy very fast. Some feminists don't think women can consent to sex with men under any circumstances, because of structural power imbalances. Incest taboos are just once example.
Mind you, I think there's a host of philosophical reason you don't want to treat any deontological value (e.g. consent) as absolute/non-contingent. And in practice I think there's more than a pinch of common sense that guides when progressives do or don't uphold consent as highest arbiter.
But this is exactly the sort of question progressives should be asking. (And in some cases are.) Let's not gaslight Biscuits even if we find his politics annoying.
sus
Moderator
Come on now guys. No more playing dumb. We all know why they're lumped together. They're all historically deviant (i.e. objectively non-conforming) sexual practices, some of which have become normalized and some of which remain taboo, and Biscuits is asking us to justify the distinction. Moreover, there's a serious history of gay culture and pederast culture; see NAMBLA. This is just a sociological fact, and a history the gay community has (quite well-documentedly, and quite understandably) try to distance itself from.
Now, I think it's absolutely fair to draw distinctions between them—and people have! They do all the time! Consent, the normal distinction, is a totally reasonable basis for drawing distinctions and saying that gay adult relationships are OK and adult-minor relationships aren't. This distinction happens to not be sufficient for adult incest, so you need something extra—what is it? If the woman is on birth control, what is the ethical basis to discourage or criminalize incest?
But all the object-level aside, come now. Let's knock this performative ignorance off. We all know what Biscuits is saying and why he's saying it, even if we don't ultimately agree with his implications/conclusions.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Cool thread!
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Are you telling me to stay in my lane?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
This is an understandable emotional response, but a big survey recently found that the fraction of people who regret transitioning is very small:
How common is transgender treatment regret, detransitioning?
In updated treatment guidelines issued last year, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health said evidence of later transition regret is scant, but that patients should be told about the possibility during psychological counseling.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Maybe incest isn't entirely about offspring.