The Feminine Perspective against the Manosphere

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(I was told upthread by you that "phallic" does not just mean self-interested)

You can't find a single instance of me denying that "phallic" means self-interested.

Anyway, about the allegation that I use the no true scotsman fallacy: I have been clear about what phallic and non-phallic mean. Phallic means egoistic, non-phallic means altruistic. I have never wavered on this point from the literal beginning of this thread. If you can't see why it's phallic to brag about how much money men give you for how sexy you are, that's on you.

 

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Is this not the most dissapointing response we could imagine? Have you not taken a frontal assault on your ideas, cherry picked a single, non-essential clause, misinterpreted it, denied the considerable ambiguity that it refers to (I was told upthread by you that "phallic" does not just mean self-interested) and then ignores the entirety of the rest of the argument.

This is the pattern of every post you've made, for fifty pages. Turns out I really did make a mistake in deciding to re-engage with this absolute horseshit. If you want to apologize for this awful stuff you've been posting, fine. But otherwise, I don't think I want to engage with you ever again. Beiser out.

Note how you never said how I misinterpeted it.

And yes, I'll apologize as soon as someone tells me what I have to apologize for.

 

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@ghost of beiser Yes, the phallus is a system of meanings, a culture, focused on self-interest. So I never denied in that quote you posted that the phallus is a culture of self-interest. It's pretty simple. The system that promotes self-interest tries to totalize itself and ignores any culture different from itself. Again, I've always been clear about this.

 

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The ordinary reading of this sentence by an english speaker is that upthread, you stated that the meaning of "phallic" is more complex than just meaning "self-interested." This is something you are affirming here even as you act as if you are denying it.

Yes, well what would phallic behavior mean besides self-interested? In context, I was talking about phallic actions, self-interested behacior. That the system of the phallus, which differs from phallic behavior, has a more complex meaning does not thereby render all my uses of the term "phallic" ambiguous, as you say. Besides, I've been clear about the more systematic, complex meaning of the phallus too. I never said "phallic" JUST means self-interested. You're the one making the unreasonable demand that "phallic" JUST MEAN self-interested. In defining "phallic" as self-interested, I was giving you the simplest meaning of the term to make it easier for you to understand. I said that it does mean self-interested and I never contradicted myself. I have always been clear about what "phallic" means. It is easy to give examples of self-interested behavior. You are getting too hung up on words. What matters is altruism.

 

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I also find it hilarious that @Mr. Tea wants call my views "terrible" because I allegedly use the no scotsman fallacy, even though I only ever denied that one example of behavior counted as non-phallic, i.e. the example of the self-objectifying gay guy. Throughout this topic I would say less than five examples of non-phallic behavior have been given by posters other than me. So it's just wrong to act like I constantly move the goalposts whenever someone gives an example of feminine behaviors. You've all spent too much time criticizing me and too little time giving examples of feminine behavior. If you were really giving so many examples of feminine behavior, I'd be happy.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

i want everyone to imagine malelesbian saying this but he's wearing blackface

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Is this not the most dissapointing response we could imagine? Have you not taken a frontal assault on your ideas, cherry picked a single, non-essential clause, misinterpreted it, denied the considerable ambiguity that it refers to (I was told upthread by you that "phallic" does not just mean self-interested) and then ignores the entirety of the rest of the argument.

This is the pattern of every post you've made, for fifty pages. Turns out I really did make a mistake in deciding to re-engage with this absolute horseshit. If you want to apologize for this awful stuff you've been posting, fine. But otherwise, I don't think I want to engage with you ever again. Beiser out.

Is it feminine or masculine to throw your toys out of the pram?

I thought Beiser and Tea had the upper hand in this thread but then they spontaneously exploded, seemingly in defense of toxic masculinity, rather than the more intellectual lines they were advancing earlier. It will be a fillip to the Ukrainian defence forces to see how dogged obduracy can win out over sustained fire from once greater forces. Slava Ukraina!

 

[CorpseysEvilTwin]

prigozhin is dead.

 

[The King of Pussy Gettin]

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Does anyone want to talk about fighting the manosphere...?

 

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Or how about that debate with @mixed_biscuits ? All we need is a topic

 

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And just for the record, @Mr. Tea, while you're talking about how I would be less socially isolated if I didn't share my opinions, just know I'll never be friends with anyone who doesn't want to hear any of my opinions

 

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@malelesbian Is this the kind of thing you want more of?

 

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@malelesbian Is this the kind of thing you want more of?

What is supposed to be wrong with that song?

I've never been a fan of the Marxmen, but I do appreciate their use of Marxist themes.

 

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Does anyone want to talk about fighting the manosphere...?

What if we used the words

Agentically oriented vs Ecologically oriented

Who are some ecological rappers? That's my question.

 

[sus]

I think we should ditch all this lousy psychoanalytic language and talk about Endosymbiotic culture vs pathogenic culture

 

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What if we used the words

Agentically oriented vs Ecologically oriented

Who are some ecological rappers? That's my question.

All rappers are products and producers of their environment. Almost every rapper describes their experience as embedded in a larger culture or community. That's why rappers always talk about being from the streets. If you're going to talk about the hood, it had better be the actual environment you live in.

Or do you want examples of non-phallic, altruistic rappers. Because I can think of a few.

 

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We should talk about the subsidization of strategies by strategies (gender being one axis of social strategy). Frequency dependent selection

 

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Ecologically oriented rappers are antiphallic. It's a supersidiary concept.