The Crisis of Masculinity

[malelesbian]

Young men are not doing well. They are dying more, making less friends, being more lonely.

Why is this?

What should we do about it?

The Left has done very little to help young men. Thus, men are becoming more conservative. There's been some demand for a positive left-wing role model for men. It's me. I want to be a feminist role model for men.

My solution has been to build communal bonds and spread emotional availability. I've tried to do that here, but in response I received a torrential downpour of contrarianism, insults, and people socially isolating me. All this on a forum filled with already isolated people. When will men start helping each other?

 

[linebaugh]

Mvuent and I arent isolated were hanging out in a week

 

[linebaugh]

Were training for his trip to england. Thats rule one for functional masculinity: a man must have a goal.

 

[malelesbian]

Were training for his trip to england. Thats rule one for functional masculinity: a man must have a goal.

I have plenty of goals, that never helped me.

It's true though that a lot of men lack purpose.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I have plenty of goals, that never helped me.

It's true though that a lot of men lack purpose.

Is the implication here that women already and inherently have a purpose, or that they don't need one in the same way men do?

 

[malelesbian]

Is the implication here that women already and inherently have a purpose, or that they don't need one in the same way men do?

Probably a lot of women lack purpose too, it's just they usually have a community or social support network to help them through that. Too many men lack any kind of external support whatsoever.

 

[WashYourHands]

Were training for his trip to england. Thats rule one for functional masculinity: a man must have a goal.

in this instance, to drink!

 

[mixed_biscuits]

A strong independent woman doesn't need a support network. It would be a contradiction in terms, and any attempt to shackle a woman in that way is rightly met with opprobrium. Accordingly, the more free-thinking a woman is, the fewer female friends she has (in my experience).

Most men are lonely for the same reason that most men are incels: they are too boring. I'm really interesting, and I can have the pick of men. I refuse to waste time talking to boring men. If, for some reason, we have a common history then I can sweeten the pill by socialising with them indirectly - through a football game, or a drink or a board game. Notice that this is how men typically socialise with each other. They realise.

It's important to have role models, but the left won't provide them because they only tell you whom NOT to be rather than whom to be, probably because they are a bit insecure themselves.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Probably a lot of women lack purpose too, it's just they usually have a community or social support network to help them through that. Too many men lack any kind of external support whatsoever.

This came up in a discussion here years ago, in the context of 'safe spaces', e.g. women's societies in universities, and the Dissensus consensus seemed to be that men-only groups are a terrible idea, because they'd just end up blaming all their woes on feminism, or on women in general, and would be breeding grounds for MRA/incel culture before you could say "gone too far."

I have no idea whether there are any kind of studies that back this up. But whether it's true or not, it's the kind if thing that makes it hard to maintain the position that feminism is merely about equality if the official stance is that women are allowed single-sex spaces but men are not.

 

[sus]

I have plenty of goals, that never helped me.

It's true though that a lot of men lack purpose.

Malelesbian, where do you live?

 

[sus]

consensus seemed to be that women-only groups are a terrible idea, because they'd just end up blaming all their woes on patriarchy, or on men in general, and would be breeding grounds for feminazi culture before you could say "gone too far."

 

[malelesbian]

Malelesbian, where do you live?

Why do you ask?

Also, I agree with Sus. The purpose of safe spaces is not to promote particular views, the point is to give people a place to express themselves in ways they can't in other places. Plus, we can mitigate tendencies of such spaces to radicalize men if we just get feminist men to lead discussions. Because they can prevent radicalization, male feminists are in this way the role models for men the left is looking for.

 

[shiels]

This is honestly the worst chat I’ve ever seen

 

[Clinamenic]

The pasteurizing effect malelesbian has on this forum is, in a way, the ultimate testament to the regime he challenges.

 

[malelesbian]

The pasteurizing effect malelesbian has on this forum is, in a way, the ultimate testament to the regime he challenges.

What do you mean I pasteurize this forum? And are you saying the effect I have on this forum supports the patriarchy? Poetic post, but confusing.

 

[Clinamenic]

What do you mean I pasteurize this forum? And are you saying the effect I have on this forum supports the patriarchy? Poetic post, but confusing.

The fact that your posts arouse these feelings in others here, namely that many here seemingly aren't willing to take your posts at face value and instead seem to view them as naive or even lame, is a testament to how hard it is to arouse interest in the feminist vision of masculinity you describe. It's tough, appealing to masculine vigor without abandoning egalitarian ideals. Really I'm just saying the response you seem to keep getting is a testament to how hard it is to change the cultural status quos around masculinity. That said, this place is still quite liberal, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Clinamenic]

I'm also mildly intoxicated at the moment.

 

[WashYourHands]

4.5(15 ratings)

195
HybridTHC 23%CBD 0%

Blue Ice​

• STRAIN HIGHLIGHTS​

• Feelings:
  Giggly
  .Happy
  .Euphoric
• Negatives:
  Dizzy
  .Dry mouth
• Helps with:
  Depression
• calmingenergizing
  
  Blue Ice effects are mostly energizing.
  low THChigh THC
  
  Blue Ice potency is higher THC than average.

Blue Ice is a hybrid weed strain. Reviewers on Leafly say this strain makes them feel giggly, happy, and euphoric. Blue Ice has 23% THC. The dominant terpene in this strain is pinene. If you've smoked, dabbed, or otherwise enjoyed this strain, Blue Ice, before let us know! Leave a review.

 

[WashYourHands]

4.6(889 ratings)

33,982
HybridTHC 21%CBD 0%

Runtz​

aka Runtz OG, Gelato Zkittlez​

• STRAIN HIGHLIGHTS​

• Feelings:
  Talkative
  .Happy
  .Giggly
• Negatives:
  Anxious
  .Headache
  .Dizzy
• Helps with:
  Anxiety
  .Stress
  .Depression
• calmingenergizing
  
  Runtz effects are mostly energizing.
  low THChigh THC
  
  Runtz potency is higher THC than average.

Runtz, also known as "Runtz OG," is a rare type of hybrid marijuana strain. Runtz is made by Cookies Fam by crossing Zkittlez with Gelato and it is loved for its incredibly fruity flavor profile that smells just like a bag of the sugary candy we all know and love. Because of the rising popularity of this cannabis strain, it's no surprise Runtz was named Leafly Strain of the Year in 2020. Runtz is celebrated for its creamy smoke that is smooth and welcoming. This strain of weed produces euphoric highs and uplifting effects that are known to be long-lasting. Purple Caper Seeds released the same cross under the name Gelato Zkittlez.

 

[Clinamenic]

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4.5(15 ratings)

195
HybridTHC 23%CBD 0%

Blue Ice​

• STRAIN HIGHLIGHTS​

• Feelings:
  Giggly
  .Happy
  .Euphoric
• Negatives:
  Dizzy
  .Dry mouth
• Helps with:
  Depression
• calmingenergizing
  
  Blue Ice effects are mostly energizing.
  low THChigh THC
  
  Blue Ice potency is higher THC than average.

Blue Ice is a hybrid weed strain. Reviewers on Leafly say this strain makes them feel giggly, happy, and euphoric. Blue Ice has 23% THC. The dominant terpene in this strain is pinene. If you've smoked, dabbed, or otherwise enjoyed this strain, Blue Ice, before let us know! Leave a review.

I've had blue ice in upstate new york a few times. Think we were mainly smoking blue ice and sour diesel, neither of which had titles I found particularly enticing.