To What Extent Was 'Zomby - Where Were U In '92?' A Real Jungle Album?

0bleak

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yeah, you and @0bleak are right about this, it definitely lacks technique and everything is overcompressed. Which is why I don't love it, and have no rush to acquire it.

but yeah i can respect its brutal functionalism.

This sort of thing from Danny Breaks subverts minimalistic jump up/aggy dnb in a more interesting fashion imo. feels like the bassline is reversing in realtime without the reverse effect. With a breakbeat so rigid it conjures a memory of a cyborgs distant body. actual neuro-avant-funk.



One-half of that project is Mark Pritchard - probably best known around here as 1/2 Chaos & Julia Set and The Chameleon but most famous for his 1/2 of projects like Global Communication and Reload with Tom Middleton.
 

dilbert1

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@thirdform so on account of these old racialist arguments about funk and ragga and blackness in jungle you feel a somewhat contrarian push to the techy-er side of things is warranted? Because to me it seems like chasing ghosts from 2005, who still mongers authentic blackness via ragga jungle? I see it a lot more with respect to Detroit and Chicago or contemporary subaltern global dance genres. Also, how do you think about a producer like Kid Lib who doesn’t seem to touch tech step with a 10 foot pole, specializes in ragga jungle revivalism, but also branches out into perhaps less “black coded” styles?

 

0bleak

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@dilbert1 - it's not letting me reply to your posts or quote you, but my overall favorite project of Mark and Tom is Reload.
They're talking about doing proper remastered reissues at some point since the Music on Vinyl reissue of the "A Collection of Short Stories" album wasn't authorized by them, and a lot of the EPs and singles are kind of rare/costly including the 2006 remastered compilation of the first three
 

The King of Pussy Gettin

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As for techstep this is always the direction it should have evolved in, heard equinox play it out once as well as on a scientific wax show. an all time favourite:


Loved that record so much when it came out! Did my best to play it whenever I could for awhile there! This is from the same period + kinda simliar, but like 10000x shittier:

 

thirdform

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@thirdform so on account of these old racialist arguments about funk and ragga and blackness in jungle you feel a somewhat contrarian push to the techy-er side of things is warranted? Because to me it seems like chasing ghosts from 2005, who still mongers authentic blackness via ragga jungle? I see it a lot more with respect to Detroit and Chicago or contemporary subaltern global dance genres. Also, how do you think about a producer like Kid Lib who doesn’t seem to touch tech step with a 10 foot pole, specializes in ragga jungle revivalism, but also branches out into perhaps less “black coded” styles?

Like I said to Luka, I am certainly part of the Algerians of England.

A lot of ragga jungle is great music. Especially Noise Factory, Chatta b and the whole kemet records possee. Fantastic, visceral, radical music.

What I deride is the idea that the less black-coded styles can have their blackness denied, as if blackness is a prison for the voyeur. Too much of the ragga jungle revivalists of the early-mid 00s in Canada I thought got excessively invested in ragga as the only sound, ignoring all the funk/soul/detroit (and yes, white belgian techno influences.)

And even then, one can still be influenced by ragga and dancehall rhythms in a techier context.



As for mr kid lib, living in the zone was my favourite jungle tune of 2021. Very post-dubstep in its levitational bass, not post-dubstep as the terribly dull genre, as in proceeding dubstep.
 

thirdform

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you are right about chicago and detroit. I see this kind of attitude with many white Germans and some Brits and Americans. Blackness becomes not a modality through which class is lived a la stuart hall, but turned into becoming provincial for white people who do not realise that one must give up a certain degree of fidelity to their community. Following the red thread of antiformism reformism conformism, we can speak of the black humanism of William Gardner Smith in the Stone face traversing both the reformist/conformist character (the cosmopolitan comforts of paris for black Americans) and antiformism, the Algerians, Simian's return to America, etc etc. of course, in dialectical logic, all of these are intertwined and do not follow a linear progression, inasmuch as reformism always contains the germs for conformism, and thus, 2 must multiply back into 1, Mao's oversight.

Thus for anyone to call themselves an antihumanist, as many Althusserians do, is absurd, it encloses ideologies in a frozen, static reality, when in actuality reality is both negatively infinite and open, not a positive closed system. To propose an infinite closed system is to go back to God consciousness.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
you are right about chicago and detroit. I see this kind of attitude with many white Germans and some Brits and Americans. Blackness becomes not a modality through which class is lived a la stuart hall, but turned into becoming provincial for white people who do not realise that one must give up a certain degree of fidelity to their community. Following the red thread of antiformism reformism conformism, we can speak of the black humanism of William Gardner Smith in the Stone face traversing both the reformist/conformist character (the cosmopolitan comforts of paris for black Americans) and antiformism, the Algerians, Simian's return to America, etc etc. of course, in dialectical logic, all of these are intertwined and do not follow a linear progression, inasmuch as reformism always contains the germs for conformism, and thus, 2 must multiply back into 1, Mao's oversight.

Thus for anyone to call themselves an antihumanist, as many Althusserians do, is absurd, it encloses ideologies in a frozen, static reality, when in actuality reality is both negatively infinite and open, not a positive closed system. To propose an infinite closed system is to go back to God consciousness.

@dilbert1 check your messages.
 

0bleak

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I thought Quarta 330 was a Japanese guy.
Maybe confusing his Harmonic 313 project, or Harmonic 33 w/ Dave Brinkworth, or the dubstep and related styles under his real name and other aliases/collaborations.
 
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