RATE: characters/plot/style/ideas in novels & plays

[mixed_biscuits]

Style
Ideas
Character
Plot

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Are you getting our Myers-Briggs type from this?

 

[IdleRich]

Style higher for me. Examples that come to mind are Jim Thompson and Chester Himes; you can get the same plots from most crime pulp of the time (and similar characters) but they blew it over the rooftops. Imagine Cormac Mc Carthy writing The Getaway, it would have been garbage.

Did you ever read If He Hollers Let Him Go? Himes (much like Mccarthy) simplified his style when he wrote all that Cotten Comes to Harlem type gear.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Are you getting our Myers-Briggs type from this?

Something like that maybe

 

[vershy versh]

Ideas, Style, Characters, Plot.

 

[sus]

In English lit, at least, the creation of properly distinct human characters seems to have started with Chaucer.

Didn't English lit start w Chaucer

 

[sus]

Version's avatar is really crazy. Benny politely averts his gaze, he is present but allows you privacy

Whereas Version's sunglassed eyes stare right into your soul. He allows no return gaze, he observes you while shielding himself. Sadistic.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Didn't English lit start w Chaucer

Well yeah, I suppose, but I don't think there was anyone coming up with an abundance of lively, distinct personalities after him until Shakespeare.

 

[sus]

Benny is your boy, you dap him up in the locker room, you talk shit about the PE teacher together. I could say anything to Benny with that avatar, I know he wouldn't juge.

Version is like if your dad was in the yakuza, he has a stern and disapproving look. He will execute you if you write a poor post.

 

[Benny Bunter]

This is why I want to read the Canterbury tales this year. I've read bits of it, the wife of bath and one or two others, but I want to do the whole thing

 

[sus]

That sounds lovely tag me if it gets off the ground

 

[Benny Bunter]

Whereas Version's sunglassed eyes stare right into your soul. He allows no return gaze, he observes you while shielding himself. Sadistic.

Note how he rates characters so low in the list. Inhuman.

 

[vershy versh]

Ideas, Style, Characters, Plot.

If you look at the stuff I tend to read, this is very obvious. Having said that, when I read something with great characters, e.g. Ulysses, Mason & Dixon, it can be like coming across water and suddenly realising I've been in a desert.

 

[Benny Bunter]

That sounds lovely tag me if it gets off the ground

Obviously it's the language barrier and the sheer size of the thing that's daunting, but I've got a decent edition that has little glosses at the end of each line for the tricky words, rather than footnotes, so you can keep the flow going without having to keep flicking your eyes to the bottom of the page.

 

[Benny Bunter]

The wife of bath is an absolute riot, really enjoyed reading that.

 

[0bleak]

Benny is your boy, you dap him up in the locker room, you talk shit about the PE teacher together. I could say anything to Benny with that avatar, I know he wouldn't juge.

Version is like if your dad was in the yakuza, he has a stern and disapproving look. He will execute you if you write a poor post.

I still miss @Corpsey - seemed like a decent guy to me

Speaking of fire

@0bleak is that a real story?? That's one of the craziest stories I've ever read

www.dissensus.com

 

[Murphy]

proto Jimmy Savile - The Pardoner

 

[Benny Bunter]

proto Jimmy Savile - The Pardoner

Is that the one where he gets a stick shoved up his arse or something like that? I might have read it but it was ages ago.

 

[Murphy]

an OG wrong un

 

[Benny Bunter]

If you look at the stuff I tend to read, this is very obvious. Having said that, when I read something with great characters, e.g. Ulysses, Mason & Dixon, it can be like coming across water and suddenly realising I've been in a desert.

From what I've read so far of gravity's rainbow it's ideas, style, characters, plot, isn't it?