An Emergent Order
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- alp an emergent takeaway order belly bouncing the cryptic shadowy tiger lord bourgois sad sack comrade corpsey corpsey's dangerous liaisons corpsey's emergent fleshlight distasteful god lurks in your subconsciousness hamas i pity your son i'm scared of germans i'm very wet imran of riga in defence of homosexual camels jung at heart mixed biscuits got an std without having sex mixed biscuits is a version but he has clamydia suspended and his 401k the mac? come on! they are a major player three cheers for hamas! version the egyptian intellectual version's atrocity exhibition version=conceptronica what if one person pays another for their banana
yep, that's why I asked. back in the day crowl used to rib me that corpsey would listen to xenakis and would have no need for AE. But I was right.
luka
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No im a magic wizard
version
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You mean a communist?
I think the view of society as being comprised of separate ecosystems only makes sense within the logic of sociology.
Outside of that it's a cold statistical method that has no use.
version
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They're all blurred now because of postmodernism, remember.
I mean they have always been interconnected and interpenetrated each other. Sociology can't escape the old metaphysical method of separate antinomies and thus is relegated to being academic analysis in the sense that it is how the intelligentsia understands itself.
Which again, isn't a criticism of all sociological research, the trick is to take the findings of sociology in a non-philosophical and non-sociological way.
version
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Right, this is one of the knocks against the theory. Likewise when you look at literary techniques some people associate with postmodernism but then they've popped up long before, e.g. characters in Don Quixote being aware of the story.
germaphobian
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well it's an observation made from within sub-system of science/sociology (true/false); so, yeah, it won't have much use in, say, economy (payment/non-payment) or law (legal/illegal) or politics (power/no power; position/opposition). that's exactly the point. it's just an observations of how system observes itself and others (what he calls second-order observation). there is no OUTSIDE whatsoever.
In this sense it is quite interesting that Britain has no real sociological tradition and gets most of its syllabuses from the french, german and American traditions. You need republicanism or at least a certain disdain for the traditions and customes of the old aristocracy, and a struggle against religion. All of these are fairly mute in Britain.
In fact, the impotence of the German bourgeoisie to overthrow its imperial aristocracy probably ensured that sociology gained a strong foothold there. Our capitalist class reconciled with the aristocracy and hence british bourgeois ideology is an anachronistic mix of cultural deference and parochialism with enterprising business initiative. But we do not have a European cosmopolitan culture like the French, or at least, we are only acquiring it in spasmodic form.
Needless to say this goes some way to explaining the conformity of the working class (insofar as even our social democrats respect traditional significations of defference and are plum heads) even though the British working class has always had the tendancy to be the most radical since the 19th C.
In fact, the impotence of the German bourgeoisie to overthrow its imperial aristocracy probably ensured that sociology gained a strong foothold there. Our capitalist class reconciled with the aristocracy and hence british bourgeois ideology is an anachronistic mix of cultural deference and parochialism with enterprising business initiative. But we do not have a European cosmopolitan culture like the French, or at least, we are only acquiring it in spasmodic form.
Needless to say this goes some way to explaining the conformity of the working class (insofar as even our social democrats respect traditional significations of defference and are plum heads) even though the British working class has always had the tendancy to be the most radical since the 19th C.
germaphobian
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each system observes all the others (environment) from it's own point of view based on it's own simplifying binary.
Mr. Tea
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As opposed to one of those sad, lame, non-magic wizards.
version
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You mean a communist?
But marxism is the science of human social relationships, whereas sociology is the science of the social relationships of capitalist society as the end of history (fukuyama.) So of an order of magnitude, marxism is superior to sociology, even though in the future it too will be relativised by an even higher scientific form.