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Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
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"In the late 2000s, a young man was hosting a party. But what he didn't realise was that his friends had stumbled upon a terrifying new weapon: his mother's dildo."
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"The alienation of modern society was, unbeknownst to these children, to reach its crescendo when a boy comes face-to-face with his own mother's sexual isolation."
 
woops

woops

is not like other people
Jon Savage - England's Dreaming

It's easy to imagine the impact this book must have had on its release in 1991. Over the course of its 500+ pages, Savage goes into all the detail you'll ever need about the punk era and the lurid career of Sex Pistols, and more detail than you'll ever need about tailored waistbands expanding at the knee tapering to a 50s ankle. Grundy, Sid and Nancy, "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - it's all here, but more than that, though, Savage digresses into most of the areas that make punk such a turning-point - the emergence of indie labels, fanzines, local "scenes", everything that made life so interesting until, and even slightly after, the emergence of the internet.
For all that he vaunts John Lydon, it's clear that he finds Malcolm McLaren the most interesting, if not admirable person involved. He psychologises him with a shrewdness and is obviously impressed, as I am, by his ability to get stuff done - you want to open a shop? Sure. You want to sign contracts for big money? No problem. Let's make a film next. However, you never lose the sense of him as a shadowy operator, and no one emerges untraumatised from the legend.
One of the main things to strike me, as it were, was the extent of violence in the times he describes - tribe after youth tribe meeting up for no other reason than to batter each other, Teds vs Mods vs football fans vs punks, etc, etc ad nauseam, riots at gigs, crowds attacking bands and vice versa, men punching women, serious stuff, people getting pissed off and drawing axes, chains, acts that would lead to a serious assault charge today. At one point Savage goes so far as to say that violence was different back then somehow, acceptable, even sexy. It made me think, would I really want to be there? I don't think I would. It doesn't seem to happen in quite the same way today - but then I think of growing up in Lancashire, where the townies were liable to take violent dislike to goths and moshers.
England's Dreaming resembles, in subject, size, colour and layout another book, Greil Marcus' Lipstick Traces, one which dealt my seventeen-year-old mind a blow from which it has never really recovered. I'd read Camus at school but I had no inkling there'd been such things as Dada, Lettrisme, détournement and all those fascinating concepts that so invigorate the teenage mind. Marcus takes a wider view than Marcus: his history goes from mediaeval heretics through the rich history of twentieth-century avant gardes before getting to the Sex Pistols (as I'm not a huge fan I can add the article). Beside the pleasure of the text, both books reproduce many black and white images which are still thrilling, photos and collages and anonymous manifesto fragments - whatever the ideas may be, the punk era imagery remains as bold and inspiring as the avant garde artworks they resemble. Both books summon up the spirit of those times - the years spanned by the Pistols' career - full of youthful boredom and frustration and the rest of it, the urge to be the coolest and most chaotic that McLaren capitalised on, nihilism year zero - portraying these things as the product of a tradition stretching through Rimbaud, Debord, all those teenage heroes - and here is my point. The book goes wrong in the appendix, where after all that historical and sociological context in the main text, Marcus reviews their reunion gig, which began with the band ripping through a paper screen to make their appearance (the first band to do so since Bros apparently). I guess they missed a trick by not having Lydon slice the screen with an axe, poke his head through and say "Here's Jonny!" Sounds like it would have been inkeeping. The whole review could be summed up like this: "What a great band they were. I love the Sex Pistols." It's a let down after the story you've just read.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
As you mention there, "youthful boredom and frustration" must have played a part in all that violence. No Call of Duty, for example.

I have read England's Dreaming but it was probably about 20 years ago now and I can't remember much about it. I was mildly obsessed with the Sex Pistols / punk in those days, those pre-internet (proper) days, when I'd pore over an NME archival issue about it for hours. Punk seemed an enticing means through which I could transform myself from a shy nerd into a swaggering sid vicious type. Of course, I lacked the recklessness, rebelliousness and borderline sociopathy to be able to carry that off. So it was restricted to wearing a horrible leather jacket, tight jeans (I was skinny back then), listening to Rancid CDs on my discman and occasionally setting fire to my arse (or similar Jackass-lite stunt) at a party.
 
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woops said:
Jon Savage - England's Dreaming

It's easy to imagine the impact this book must have had on its release in 1991. Over the course of its 500+ pages, Savage goes into all the detail you'll ever need about the punk era and the lurid career of Sex Pistols, and more detail than you'll ever need about tailored waistbands expanding at the knee tapering to a 50s ankle. Grundy, Sid and Nancy, "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - it's all here, but more than that, though, Savage digresses into most of the areas that make punk such a turning-point - the emergence of indie labels, fanzines, local "scenes", everything that made life so interesting until, and even slightly after, the emergence of the internet.
For all that he vaunts John Lydon, it's clear that he finds Malcolm McLaren the most interesting, if not admirable person involved. He psychologises him with a shrewdness and is obviously impressed, as I am, by his ability to get stuff done - you want to open a shop? Sure. You want to sign contracts for big money? No problem. Let's make a film next. However, you never lose the sense of him as a shadowy operator, and no one emerges untraumatised from the legend.
One of the main things to strike me, as it were, was the extent of violence in the times he describes - tribe after youth tribe meeting up for no other reason than to batter each other, Teds vs Mods vs football fans vs punks, etc, etc ad nauseam, riots at gigs, crowds attacking bands and vice versa, men punching women, serious stuff, people getting pissed off and drawing axes, chains, acts that would lead to a serious assault charge today. At one point Savage goes so far as to say that violence was different back then somehow, acceptable, even sexy. It made me think, would I really want to be there? I don't think I would. It doesn't seem to happen in quite the same way today - but then I think of growing up in Lancashire, where the townies were liable to take violent dislike to goths and moshers.
England's Dreaming resembles, in subject, size, colour and layout another book, Greil Marcus' Lipstick Traces, one which dealt my seventeen-year-old mind a blow from which it has never really recovered. I'd read Camus at school but I had no inkling there'd been such things as Dada, Lettrisme, détournement and all those fascinating concepts that so invigorate the teenage mind. Marcus takes a wider view than Marcus: his history goes from mediaeval heretics through the rich history of twentieth-century avant gardes before getting to the Sex Pistols (as I'm not a huge fan I can add the article). Beside the pleasure of the text, both books reproduce many black and white images which are still thrilling, photos and collages and anonymous manifesto fragments - whatever the ideas may be, the punk era imagery remains as bold and inspiring as the avant garde artworks they resemble. Both books summon up the spirit of those times - the years spanned by the Pistols' career - full of youthful boredom and frustration and the rest of it, the urge to be the coolest and most chaotic that McLaren capitalised on, nihilism year zero - portraying these things as the product of a tradition stretching through Rimbaud, Debord, all those teenage heroes - and here is my point. The book goes wrong in the appendix, where after all that historical and sociological context in the main text, Marcus reviews their reunion gig, which began with the band ripping through a paper screen to make their appearance (the first band to do so since Bros apparently). I guess they missed a trick by not having Lydon slice the screen with an axe, poke his head through and say "Here's Jonny!" Sounds like it would have been inkeeping. The whole review could be summed up like this: "What a great band they were. I love the Sex Pistols." It's a let down after the story you've just read.
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this is so much better than my one sentence review which was: "the story of a boy band cynically manufactured in order to sell trousers"

edit: I can't remember if the Savage book goes into detail how McLaren's rival, the Seditionaries brand, also put together a boy band to promote their trousers, a not very successful band called Chelsea ( Billy Idol was their first guitarist, he may have gone on to greater things ) - Genesis P-Orridge may have backed the wrong horse and got them to perform as "LSD" at the Prostitution exhibition at the ICA
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
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I dunno if it was the same night or another, but they goaded that same guy into trying the Fosbury flop over the washing line in his garden and he broke his clavicle.
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I dunno where the clavicle is but it sounds painful. It is a bone right? It's not a small musical instrument he had in his pocket or some kind of device that was sitting there and he landed on it and smashed to pieces.
 
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I dunno where the clavicle is but it sounds painful.
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oh, that'll hurt

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jenks

jenks

thread death
As usual a few things but the novel I’m enjoying the most is Look Homeward Angel by Thomas Wolfe. Sat on my shelf for best part of 40 years - he was Kerouac’s hero and you can kind of see it in the baggy prose style. Essentially a Roman a clef as young Eugene Gant grows up in a wildly dysfunctional family at the start of the twentieth century. 550 pages of an American DH Lawrence but much more readable and eccentric. He’s great about teenage angst, the stifling dead hand of parents, first, second and third love and how they differ. There’s a great scene where he gets drunk for the first time. Probably one of the best things I’ve read all year. I’ve bought the other three in the series.
 
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