Painting

[IdleRich]

I think I'm doing a little more than that, I'm trying to attribute intentionality and sophistication, as a premise, and then reason from there, as an experiment

There was a thing you said in the Alien thread which was something about assuming a work of art was the best thing ever and then writing to justify that - that's what I'm talking about. But you have a self-awareness at least... I'm not joking about K-punk (RIP and all that), when I read his criticism of anything I always had a strong sense that the artwork was basically incidental, just a thing he would use to hang his ideas about the evils of capitalism on. It never felt like a genuine response to the thing.

I think it was baudrillard who said (something like) "the only thing anyone collects is themself" and I hear that, of course your taste is a reflection of yourself and the more you refine it, the more specific it is - but I really found the k-punk style of picking a thing and then using it as a prism through which to refract his views as a masturbatory step beyond that.

And of course I don't think you're like that Gus

 

[version]

This is why I balked at catalog asking me to talk about E.T. like I was talking about Alien and Gus suggesting other films. I can only do it if I genuinely feel there's something there and I'm invested in it. It rings hollow if you just do it with anything for the sake of doing it. I went off about Alien because it set me off, not because I deliberately flicked the switch and decided to come up with stuff about Alien.

 

[IdleRich]

What I believe is that even "naive" creators can capture, stumble upon, evolve toward, channel powerful cultural spirits. That people like Cameron or Kincade demonstrably have. Even if they aren't our Gods we worship—and aesthetics are very theological—can we still understand and appreciate their powers?

I don't disagree with you here. I think it was just a case of language differences between us above.

ie you believe they are powerful so sentimental is the wrong word, but I believe they are sentimental but that doesn't mean they have no power

 

[IdleRich]

We don't seek realism in a van gogh painting, for example, but then again, on some level do we? We seek a sense of a real world transmuted into paint... Or a real emotional reaction. Everything about kinkade's paintings seems fake

S lot of impressionist and their defenders would argue that van gogh's works look more like what we see than a photorealistic still painting

 

[IdleRich]

This is why I I balked at catalog asking me to talk about E.T. like I was talking about Alien and Gus suggesting other films. I can only do it if I genuinely feel there's something there and I'm invested in it. It rings hollow if you just do it with anything for the sake of doing it. I went off about Alien because it set me off, not because I deliberately flicked the switch and decided to come up with stuff about Alien.

Yeah Boris Johnson producing off the cuff a virtuoso speech for the motion and then another against the motion

 

[woops]

This is why I I balked at catalog asking me to talk about E.T. like I was talking about Alien and Gus suggesting other films. I can only do it if I genuinely feel there's something there and I'm invested in it. It rings hollow if you just do it with anything for the sake of doing it. I went off about Alien because it set me off, not because I deliberately flicked the switch and decided to come up with stuff about Alien.

shouldn't a good writer be able to write about anything

 

[version]

shouldn't a good writer be able to write about anything

Perhaps, but I've never claimed to be a good writer.

 

[luka]

No one else has claimed you are either.

Ouch!!!

 

[Corpsey]

 

[version]

I think it's a bit soulless if you can just do a routine around anything, why write about anything in particular if it's all interchangeable? That's how you end up with all those terrible YouTube essays the length of a film with someone talking about how Finding Nemo's actually about Foucault.

 

[Corpsey]

how Finding Nemo's actually about Foucault.

More like fook-all amiright @Mr. Tea

 

[Corpsey]

there's a good bad drake line on his new album something like 'i'm neo in the matrix, you nemo in the ocean, small fish making kids feel emotion"

 

[woops]

Perhaps, but I've never claimed to be a good writer.

i am willing to make this claim

 

[sus]

This is why I I balked at catalog asking me to talk about E.T. like I was talking about Alien and Gus suggesting other films. I can only do it if I genuinely feel there's something there and I'm invested in it. It rings hollow if you just do it with anything for the sake of doing it. I went off about Alien because it set me off, not because I deliberately flicked the switch and decided to come up with stuff about Alien.

Ok but I still think you should see the films they're objectively excellent you just have to try fifteen minutes and close the tab if it isn't sticking

 

[sus]

The way this resembles stained glass is lovely.

 

[IdleRich]

I suppose it's like comparing BIlly Ray Cyrus to Beethoven. One is obviously better but some people just don't like Billy Ray Cyrus.

When Carl Perkins was dying in his hospital bed BRC came in and performed by his bedside... so evil to cynically take advantage of a dying man who was unable to protect himself like that.

 

[version]

David Lynch's greatest muse.

 

[IdleRich]

shouldn't a good writer be able to write about anything

He or she should be able to write about anything but their most powerful writing will surely occur when their talent is bolstered by their passion.

 

[IdleRich]

I think it's a bit soulless if you can just do a routine around anything, why write about anything in particular if it's all interchangeable? That's how you end up with all those terrible YouTube essays the length of a film with someone talking about how Finding Nemo's actually about Foucault.

Absolutely.
I think technically people probably can write about anything but it's when they're invested it gets good. Though of course there are many different ways of evaluating writing and many types of things one might look for.

 

[IdleRich]

there's a good bad drake line on his new album something like 'i'm neo in the matrix, you nemo in the ocean, small fish making kids feel emotion"

That's terrible... plus he's being modest, hasn't he himself touched a lot of children?