Breaking News: RZA completely jocks Wiley

[puretokyo]

A RZA-produced hiphop track from the soundtrack to Blade: Trinity (which he also scored) uses the Wiley signature 'Ice Puck' sample! For those who want to hear, go download

Lil' Flip - I Gotta Get Paid ft Ghostface and Raekwon

Now maybe someone can clarify - has RZA sampled Wiley or has he gone to the source? My understanding was that the signature sound was from an old NES ice hockey game - the sound of hitting the puck - which is in keeping with Wiley's "cold" theme. So if the sample is that obscure (ie not just a Roland preset) then RZA has obviously been listening to Wiley and liking him. And I can't see him bothering to go sample an obscure old NES game - thus Wiley has been sampled on the soundtrack to a major action film, beneath Ghost and Raekwon no less! Now, have the lawyers been involved yet? Or is Wiley so pleased to be on the RZA's sample-list he's let it slide? Because I'm assuming he's heard it...

 

[AshRa]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see RZA sampling 8-bit computer games - haven't you heard the "Atari 2600" 7"?

 

[puretokyo]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see RZA sampling 8-bit computer games - haven't you heard the "Atari 2600" 7"?

Less than a year after Wiley bases a whole album around the sample... ?

 

[AshRa]

So if the sample is that obscure (ie not just a Roland preset) then RZA has obviously been listening to Wiley and liking him. And I can't see him bothering to go sample an obscure old NES game

I think it's safe to assume that RZA has heard the Wiley album but I think it's also safe to assume that he clocked the sample-source too...

 

[hint]

nah - it's one of the kinds of sounds you find all the time in freebie "effects" sample packs or whatever, all over the net. I'd be surprised if RZA actually put a wiley 12" on the turntable and recorded the sound. but even if he had, it's not really a bite cos I don't think wiley would consider the sound his to begin with, even though it's certainly become his signature.

I'm pretty sure the famous "eskimo" bass sound is just a preset on the e-mu mo'phatt module or something like that too. a lot of the grime "sound" is built from materials that are freely available in the public domain, either as presets on affordable sound modules or downloadable samples.

 

[AshRa]

I'm pretty sure the famous "eskimo" bass sound is just a preset on the e-mu mo'phatt module or something like that too. a lot of the grime "sound" is built from materials that are freely available in the public domain, either as presets on affordable sound modules or downloadable samples.

I thought the 'classic grime' sound was just Fruity Loops all over!

 

[droid]

i wouldnt put it past him at all... a lot of the wu-tang stuff has some extremely lazy (though still brilliant) sampling... i reckon he just lifted it, but Id have to check the MP3 to be sure..

 

[lochness]

Should have sampled a one-liner from the project instead.

 

[puretokyo]

I thought the 'classic grime' sound was just Fruity Loops all over!

Dubstep and sublow definitely, but vocal grime tracks tend to use sound modules more... eg - boy in da corner = emu proteus.

 

[captain easychord]

when i first played a friend of mine some wiley singles he immediately pointed out that sample and its availablity as part of a NES sample set. this guy had never heard grime before iin his life. and he's an amateur trainspotter at best. so i think it's safe to say that that if my schlub friend knew where to cop that sample then RZA does too.

that being said, its vitaliy in his mind might have been jogged by a listen to some wiiley stuff, making him think, 'oh yeah, nintendo noises!'.

 

[Grievous Angel]

Dubstep and sublow definitely, but vocal grime tracks tend to use sound modules more... eg - boy in da corner = emu proteus.

Plus two grands' worth of Studio Electronics SE1 for the basslines.

 

[Pearsall]

Does anyone know if any of the big hip-hop dudes listen to grime? Considering how totally off the radar grime is in the American hip-hop media (if you do a Google search you can find a review from, I think, The Source, of the second Dizzee album that is full of all kinds of painful inaccuracies) I am curious as to whether the big producers are particularly aware of it.

 

[luka]

yeah damon dash is well aware of wiley. wiley goes over to his house in london and parites. wiley and westwood were talking about it the other day. damon dash has a peculiarly close relationship with london but i'm sure he's not the only one who knows about wiley and them.

 

[puretokyo]

Just listen to the track, guys... Sounds more like Wiley than RZA - although not too much like either...

I'm not letting this one go

 

[puretokyo]

Plus two grands' worth of Studio Electronics SE1 for the basslines.

Do you know what he used on Showtime? He's making such a fuss about how he's improved as a producer, I thought maybe he'd blab about some of his making-of...

 

[slanderlord]

Heh, I wrote about this a month ago - "Bouncy rubber bass over grime clicks. Sounds like Wiley snuck into the studio and took over" - but didn't consciously make the connection. It's interesting to hear in mainstream rap, I wonder if it has any future there.

 

[originaldrum]

I thought the 'classic grime' sound was just Fruity Loops all over!

funny you should say that (and every forum it has ever been on) but every piece of footage i have ever seen on DVD or whatever pretty much has logic audio running and loads of synths and rackmounts

not a playstation in sight, nor fruity

i reckon this is the biggest in joke in grime, i mean who hasn't got a cracked copy of logic

 

[AshRa]

funny you should say that (and every forum it has ever been on) but every piece of footage i have ever seen on DVD or whatever pretty much has logic audio running and loads of synths and rackmounts

not a playstation in sight, nor fruity

i reckon this is the biggest in joke in grime, i mean who hasn't got a cracked copy of logic

It was just that bass-synth sound that everyone seemed to be using a couple of years ago...

 

[hint]

funny you should say that (and every forum it has ever been on) but every piece of footage i have ever seen on DVD or whatever pretty much has logic audio running and loads of synths and rackmounts

not a playstation in sight, nor fruity

I reckon this is the biggest in joke in grime, i mean who hasn't got a cracked copy of logic

heh - I think it's not really an in-joke encouraged by the artists. more like certain sections of the press creaming themselves over the idea that these kids have crafted this hot! exciting! urban! genre! on a nicked playstation or a dirt cheap piece of software. as if it makes a difference...

reminds me of an interview I saw with steve jones saying that people decided that he'd ripped the grille cloth off the front of his amp cos it made it sound "more punk". when in fact it's cos the amp was nicked from somewhere and had the original owner's name stencilled across the front.

 

[cooper]

funny you should say that (and every forum it has ever been on) but every piece of footage i have ever seen on DVD or whatever pretty much has logic audio running and loads of synths and rackmounts

not a playstation in sight, nor fruity

i reckon this is the biggest in joke in grime, i mean who hasn't got a cracked copy of logic

maybe it just makes for better footage. i mean, what's better to show off than a bunch of synths? you can dial up all the presets and pretend you got your money's worth.

plasticman did all his work up to maybe 8 months or so ago in fruity loops. now he uses reason. hardware is fucking expensive.