the symbolic meaning (or lack of ) in aesthetics

you

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I play guitar but know nothing about music theory etc... however, I good friend of mine is a classical pianist, composer, MD, and knows his shit.... I once watched a Bernstein lecture with him... It was about how music has very much primal/linguistic roots, he mentioned how a babys first words are usually MaaaaMaaaa, or Daaaaadaaaa, and that it allways has that tonal structure, but how when kids tease each other ( nur nur na nur nurrr ) its a limbo of resolved/ unresolved.... Im doing an awful job of explaining this.... but the point is that primal sounds and communication... language/ linguistics and music emotivity etc etc are all very much linked..

Maybe if your really interested, mail me and I could ask my mate the lecture title, im sure its on dvd..
 
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nomadologist

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it's the lectures at harvard. and it is on dvd. buy the book., it's cheaper.
 

version

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Is a strong aesthetic sensibility ultimately detrimental? I'm primarily thinking of my aversion to people who may have similar ideas and tastes to me, but for whatever reason rub me the wrong way. An example would be some of the people on the Pynchon sub I was on. We all liked the books - which is surely what's most important? - but I experienced this visceral revulsion when some of them would show off their Pynchon-themed tattoos, their homemade Pychon merch, etc. The same goes for politics, I'd probably agree with the Novara lot on a fair bit, but the way they talk, the whole feel of their thing, is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Is this a hurdle to get over or is there some value in it?
 

luka

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But i think youre tribe is carved out by those instinctive
attractions and aversions. Its like a dog sniffing someone
 

version

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I've often felt we - people - have a stronger response to annoyance and "vibes" than actions. There are people who hate Meghan Markle more than any politician despite her not really being anything more than an irritating celebrity. The mere existence of her is a greater irritant to some than food being too expensive or being stuck on an NHS waiting list.
 

version

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Someone using the word 'radical' in a certain way makes me angry even if I agree with every other word they use.
 

Corpsey

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Is a strong aesthetic sensibility ultimately detrimental? I'm primarily thinking of my aversion to people who may have similar ideas and tastes to me, but for whatever reason rub me the wrong way. An example would be some of the people on the Pynchon sub I was on. We all liked the books - which is surely what's most important? - but I experienced this visceral revulsion when some of them would show off their Pynchon-themed tattoos, their homemade Pychon merch, etc. The same goes for politics, I'd probably agree with the Novara lot on a fair bit, but the way they talk, the whole feel of their thing, is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Is this a hurdle to get over or is there some value in it?
I don't know, is this just the kind of deeply insecure and flawed person I am but

I think other people being into what you're into can sometimes be threatening to your ego

Especially with art, you can feel like you are the one who really understands an author or painter and then some other cunt comes along and thinks they know all about it

Sometimes I think it's projected self-loathing, of course — if this cunt's into the same shit that THIS cunt (yours truly) is into, what a cunt they must be.

Or maybe it's that hating someone who's like yourself is 'safe'—you shouldn't hate other groups because that's prejudiced, but if I hate some other middle class white cunt who reads Knausgaard and listens to Brian Eno then I'm on safe ground—after all, i'm criticising myself

A very good essay to read "the pleasures of hating" by hazlitt
 

version

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People not liking something in the way you feel people should like it, i.e. the way you like it.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Not to mention the discouragement when you read somebody who's much cleverer and more insightful than you writing about your favourite book
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I'm not so cynical as all this, though

It's nice to share cultural tastes with people, your friends, crowds at concerts/clubs etc.

I often walk around, as I've said on here before, just hating people as I pass them, for whatever reason my eyes can find at that point — sometimes its that they're wearing a James Joyce t shirt for example
 

version

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I often walk around, as I've said on here before, just hating people as I pass them, for whatever reason my eyes can find at that point — sometimes its that they're wearing a James Joyce t shirt for example
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