Dubstep
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
yeah, there's a few sellers that put me to tears.
http://www.discogs.com/seller/HOLYGRAILS?price=over40
Seems loads of stuff has got a repress though. Mala - Changes, Objekt 001, Burial LP, a few punch drunks all floating about this week
http://www.discogs.com/seller/HOLYGRAILS?price=over40
Seems loads of stuff has got a repress though. Mala - Changes, Objekt 001, Burial LP, a few punch drunks all floating about this week
same with electro after the surge in popularity of electro house. As if I didnt feel like enough of a cunt without having to say things like "Yeah I like dubstep, but that other kind"
e/y
Well-known member
Kode9 played some jungle, which made my year. really fun night.
This is rubbish, on a bunch of levels. People complaining on forums are easy to ignore but everytime Skrillex makes another 100,000 fans, that's another 100,000 fans who have their mental expectations attuned to dubstep = his sound, such that it makes it harder for Mala n co to play their sound. Crowds respond to what they expect and if their expectations are for Emo-metal, then, well... its over isnt it? And while you could say each producer to their own sound, there's a causality here ie Skrillex's career was build on the foundations Mala and his friends laid. Now maybe that shouldnt matter - let the free markets decide or something - but emotionally I always feel it should.
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
"when are you going to play some dubstep" -Request line cleared the floor at one gig in 2008.
Two weeks ago I was asked to play some techno while Energy Flash was spinning away.
"I love Bob Marley" - play any reggae tune
Two weeks ago I was asked to play some techno while Energy Flash was spinning away.
"I love Bob Marley" - play any reggae tune
SecondLine
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the 'live and let live'/'trickle down' argument has some limited traction I think but ultimately, shouldn't we just be against shit music regardless of how it may or may not relate to good music? It's become a bit of a music crit power move lately to say 'you know actually this skrillex stuff isn't bad, I see no reason NOT to like it', but it is fucking shit*. it's pretty funny, but it's still shit* - by which I mean, if all music was like that, my soul would shrivel up like a tiny gourmet vegetable crisp in the gutter and slowly flake away in the tailwind of passing busses.
I'm not gonna waste any effort griping about it on dsf but equally I don't see why I should have to be argued/reasoned into being cool with it for extra-musical reasons. It's shit*.
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SecondLine
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does this really happen? I mean I guess there are shades of grey - someone getting into rusko circa his fabriclive mix is likely to have stumbled across the rest of dubstep pretty quickly, but the tens of thousands of people going to see skrillex in the states, whose route in was via his emo band. Do they ever really discover the other stuff? It's just its own thing now.
genuinely curious as I don't know any of these people
but yeah as I said, I'm sure there is a bit of a 'trickle down' but that's almost peripheral to the main point of whether the music is terrible or not.
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
I don't really care about the Skrillex discussion, just that it would be practical if they'd have an alternative name for that particular music style, such as brostep, and not dubstep. What concerns me more is that there's hardly any dubstep being made any more, to be honest, I only check out the Digital Mystikz and Mala releases that are coming out every now and then. I can't even remember the last time I even went to a dubstep night.
yeah. i actually know quite a lot of people whose first exposure to dubstep was, as expected, the more commercial/heavy side. as the novelty of the chainsaws wore off then they started to discover better material and now they are on the right path. i've seen this with a fair few people.
i think one part of this was that when the people i know first heard dubstep it was when skream and benga were pretty much the biggest names the scene had to offer. if you just browsed through their tunes on youtube obviously you'd come across plenty of their earlier/deeper stuff. the kids that have discovered dubstep from skrillex are probably completely unattached to anything remotely listenable, i admit.
This line of reasoning is always brought up in a discussion like this and while it may be a true, it ignores the very real possibility that the number of people who will never give Mala and co a chance because they associate all of dubstep with Skrillex's sound will be far more in number.
im not trying to ignore the fact its probably a small percentage that explore deeper into the sound. but if even a tiny proportion of skrillex's audience (for example) end up listening to good dubstep; comparatively thats actually going to be a quite a lot for the original dubstep scene.
Come on Omar we're starting to sound like religious fundamentalists here!
