scottdisco

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i attended a Bayern home game the other month and i must say the Munich team were fucking shite.
it was embarrassing how far ahead Ribery was of his team-mates that day.

(not taking anything away from Mixed's assessment, which was a thoroughly bracing and enjoyable read.)
 

don_quixote

Trent End
bayern munich with half a defence out and coming off a 5-1 thrashing by wolfsburg? yeah, "decent"

i will happily eat my words if barcelona demolish chelsea, but there's no way barcelona are thrashing any english team any time in the near future. chelsea will win on wednesday.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
btw Real's defence is the equal second best of La Liga.

Falls apart like a Flake against a good side though - 14 goals in 4 matches against Liverpool and Barca.

Generally agree about Tues match though. Looked like one of those performances that was only good when you look at the scoreline. Didn't match the game at all. I fear they'll try a repeat on Weds, with very few attacks and a reliance on dead balls for chances (with DD in full swan mode to get them).
 

don_quixote

Trent End
and criticising chelsea's defence in that match is ludicrous. they're the only team to have stopped barcelona scoring at the nou camp this season!! that's the stat that fucking matters.
 

mixed_biscuits

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and criticising chelsea's defence in that match is ludicrous. they're the only team to have stopped barcelona scoring at the nou camp this season!! that's the stat that fucking matters.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. I'll give Cech some props, but otherwise they needed a healthy dose of spawn to make it through unscathed.

If Chelsea score first at home, then they might win, as they can set up camp around the box again. I'm hoping for an early Spanish goal, followed by at least four more as Chelsea are forced to venture out of their own third and try to string a few passes together.
 

don_quixote

Trent End
we'll see.

but as i've said in this thread before, never, ever, write off the english side in the champions league. chelsea will win. mark my words (again).
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Barton off, Newcastle going down?

Still seems hard to believe - assumed they were one of those clubs like Everton, Spurs, who sometimes look like being relegated but never are - but I reckon only Hull can save them now.
 

don_quixote

Trent End
it seems absolutely crazy with the calibre of players they have... owen, duff, viduka, martins, butt, smith...

hucks, i'm really sorry. just don't stay down there for three seasons like we did.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
You might want to watch Barcelona's dismemberment of Bayern in the previous round. The Germans arguably qualify as a 'decent team.'

Not that Chelsea can pretend to be of premier international class anyway, being only 3rd in the Premiership, below the erratic Liverpool and out of the running for their domestic title.

Chelsea's bus-parking Nou Camp escape was by no stretch of the imagination a 'genius' performance. They showed little or no inclination nor ability to do anything with the ball and 'earned' their draw only through Barcelona's profligacy. A team that is dominant when defending does not permit >20 efforts on goal, after all. (This is assuming that defending starts higher up the pitch than the edge of the penalty area...)

btw Real's defence is the equal second best of La Liga.

Barcelona rarely threatened to score before that header in the 92nd (?) minute, and Drogba's was arguably the clearest chance of the match. No-one could've complained if it had been 1-0/2-0 to Barca, I'd agree with that, but they didn't actually put the ball in the net, did they? Three halves of semi-final football vs English teams, and nothing to show for it. They may well come good on Wednesday, but they need to prove they can hack it vs the best defensive teams.

I was saying that Hiddink qualifies as a management genius, not Chelsea - he judged the game on Weds very well. Why would he adopt tactics that would see Chelsea get murdered? More generally, name any manager who has done better with often limited resources, aside from Clough. He gets better results than could be predicted when it really counts - Guardiola has yet to prove he can (off the field), much as I admire the type of football Barca play in principle.

As another has said, Bayern don't qualify as a decent team at present. Though quite how bad Sporting Lisbon are is mind-boggling.

Real are a joke at the highest level, I'm sorry. The erratic Liverpool embarrassed them. When was the last time an English team lost a European tie 5-0? Much as it's all due to money, with 3/4 semi-finalists and 2/2 finalists two seasons in a row, the Premier League is more dominant in Europe than any league in living memory, even Spain in 2000-2002. Quite when it's going to change, i can't foresee, but then everyone said that about Serie A in the 90s.
 
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scottdisco

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yeah Hiddink is world-class.

along with Barcelona, the big English four teams constitute the five best club sides on earth, i don't think that's an uncontroversial thing to say?

sure we can throw in curve-balls from some of the other big leagues but i think at brass tacks, that's the score.

(it doesn't give me any pleasure to make these observations, i'm not a very patriotic sort and as a lower-league English fan the ever widening gulf between the top boys and everybody else is obviously something that is a constant nag; i also prefer watching La Liga to the Prem - though not Serie A or any of the other decent leagues.)
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Milan should be in a top six, really, I s'pose, but maybe not on the form of this season. I thought Juve looked pretty tidy against Chelsea for much of that tie.... Inter are the big mystery in their inability to do anything in Europe, ever.

Real will no doubt reconfigure their team completely and get back to Euro dominance at some stage. Why they don't buy two (one?) good defenders is beyond me - they have the money and the prestige to lure them, and Barcelona have just humiliated them...
 

don_quixote

Trent End
milan??

inter might do something next year now theyve got a season under their belt with mourinho but serie a is embarrassingly weak compared to the past.
 

scottdisco

rip this joint please
these are good points: Juve have impressed me far more this year than Inter or Milan, i've seen enough of them all on the telly and saw one Milan game in the flesh, and the pedestrian pace of both teams (vs Chievo) exemplified the point Don_Quixote just made, Serie A is cobblers atm.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
re Milan, maybe I'm letting nostalgia cloud judgment there. Just remembering how they destroyed United in 2007...

Yeah, what happened to Cannavaro? It's bizarre. Re el clasico - have the Spanish revolutionised the game by making it illegal for defenders to move when the opposition is in the penalty area, and just not told the rest of the world?

let's hope someone gets their act together (hopefully not Inter - the thought of Mourinho and Ibrahimovic crowing together would be unbearable) next season, otherwise Premier League dominance is gonna get boring.
 
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scottdisco

rip this joint please
re Milan, maybe I'm letting nostalgia cloud judgment there. Just remembering how they destroyed United in 2007...

Yeah, what happened to Cannavaro? It's bizarre.

let's hope someone gets their act together (hopefully not Inter - the thought of Mourinho and Ibrahimovic crowing together would be unbearable) next season, otherwise Premier League dominance is gonna get boring.

yeah, true.

i just meant right this season with the five teams above thing; hopefully over the summer some old continental faces will re-up and, er, well, hope springs eternal that Anfield, Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge all burn down ;)
 

josef k.

Dangerous Mystagogue
so arsenal, man utd...

utd have to be the favourite - they were definitely stronger at old trafford, and we will be missing Arshavin. but i have a feeling that arsenal will score first.

I predict (though would rather be more optimistic): 1:1, Man Utd go through.
 
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