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IdleRich

IdleRich

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"p.s. breaking news, fergie says ronaldo is staying. what do you think rich? most united fans seem to be quite ambivalent to the whole thing, which is a shame because he's treating the biggest club in england- and the club that has frequently overcome the loss of key players- like a groupie. five years ago fergie would've got rid, i reckon."
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Yeah, just seen that, although in a way it seems a bit of a non-story 'cause he's just repeating what he said before, there don't really seem to have been any developments except that he had a meeting with Ronaldo although the upshot of that meeting is left deliberately vague.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7514329.stm

As for whether his staying is a good thing (assuming he is), I dunno, I agree with Vimothy to a certain extent, I feel that if it was true that Madrid were offering the sums that were floating around early in the close-season then it would be better to offload the discontented player and buy a load of top class replacements (though not Robinho) with the ridiculous amount of money they got in exchange. On the other hand, I feel that Ferguson painted himself into a corner by saying "not for sale" - if they were forced to sell him after that then it would be a blow to the pride of the manager and also to the club that likes to see itself as the biggest in the world. If Madrid can just swoop in and take their best assets against their will then it would be hard to maintain credibility in claiming that position - Champions League title and number of fans notwithstanding.
Be interested to see what kind of reception he gets in the first games (although he did ok when everyone predicted disaster after the world cup) although I'm sure that if he bangs in forty again no-one will complain.
 
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maybe you should watch footie with yr eyes open then.
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Yeah, the fist two Mourinho seasons and the last two Ranieri ones he was brilliant, for England, Chelsea domestically and Chelsea in Europe. Seem to remember him owning Bayern Munich in a Champions League qf in Mourinho's first season...

He's not the player he was, though. I remember how he had gone like 5 years without missing a game, but then he got injured and I swear he's not been the same since.

Re: Ronaldo, it would have been cool if they'd have sold him for £100m and there'd been a real live game of fantasy football played out as they bought loads of ace players- Berbatov! Huntelaar! Villa! Jloyd Samuel!
 
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IdleRich said:
Yeah, just seen that, although in a way it seems a bit of a non-story 'cause he's just repeating what he said before, there don't really seem to have been any developments except that he had a meeting with Ronaldo although the upshot of that meeting is left deliberately vague.
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yeah, now they've expanded the story there's not so much to it.

this transfer window's been rubbish- not much happens for ages and then in the space of a few days it looks like fucking drogba and ronaldo are both sticking around. i'm sick of the both of them...
 
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hucks said:
Yeah, the fist two Mourinho seasons and the last two Ranieri ones he was brilliant, for England, Chelsea domestically and Chelsea in Europe. Seem to remember him owning Bayern Munich in a Champions League qf in Mourinho's first season...
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yeah, he scored two in the first leg and one in the second as i recall.

second goal in the first leg () is one of my all time favs, not so much because of the goal- as great as it was- but because it crowned the best season he ever had for us, won player of the year etc. i don't know if it's that he hasn't been the same since, but for those first two mourinho seasons the team was built around him- with makalele and essien/tiago behind him he pretty much had free reign to play as he wanted. then jose tried to pair him with ballack and weakened both of their games in the process.
 
IdleRich

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"Yeah, the fist two Mourinho seasons and the last two Ranieri ones he was brilliant, for England, Chelsea domestically and Chelsea in Europe. Seem to remember him owning Bayern Munich in a Champions League qf in Mourinho's first season...

He's not the player he was, though. I remember how he had gone like 5 years without missing a game, but then he got injured and I swear he's not been the same since."
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Well, it's obviously nonsense to say that he's never done anything good ever. He's been a good servant to Chelsea but, yeah, I wonder it the end of his uninjured run represented some kind of watershed. I also wonder if he will fit into another team and another league.
 
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i think if he does leave, inter's the only real option. slower game with a manager who'll build a team around him. i can't see him fitting into any of the big clubs in spain.
 
IdleRich

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"i think if he does leave, inter's the only real option. slower game with a manager who'll build a team around him. i can't see him fitting into any of the big clubs in spain."
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Yeah, Spain never crossed my mind. If they do need another Macmanaman style enforcer they will still go for someone quicker than Lumpard.
 
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tom pr said:
this transfer window's been rubbish- not much happens for ages and then in the space of a few days it looks like fucking drogba and ronaldo are both sticking around.
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And Adebayor. And Alonso.

And if Liverpool have an attack of common sense over Barry and Spurs dig their heels in re Keane, it could be one big case of as you were come August. Except for Arse, who are losing the players they really don't want to and most likely keeping the guy they were happy to sell.
 
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And if Liverpool have an attack of common sense over Barry and Spurs dig their heels in re Keane, it could be one big case of as you were come August. Except for Arse, who are losing the players they really don't want to and most likely keeping the guy they were happy to sell.
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according to a guy i know who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, keane is a done deal subject to a medical (which presumably either happens today or early next week). i heard about the barry thing from him long before the rumour mill started, so i reckon he's right.
 
IdleRich

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"And Adebayor. And Alonso.

And if Liverpool have an attack of common sense over Barry and Spurs dig their heels in re Keane, it could be one big case of as you were come August. Except for Arse, who are losing the players they really don't want to and most likely keeping the guy they were happy to sell"
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But not all of these non-events are the same. United wanted to keep Ronaldo so at least in theory that's a good result for them, Liverpool wanted to get rid of Alonso but haven't been able to get the price so that's not so good.
Been a bad close season for the Arsenal though I agree, although all the fans that I know are desperately insisting it's all according to plan because Hleb didn't score enough and Nasri will do everything he did but better.
 
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tom pr said:
according to a guy i know who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone, keane is a done deal subject to a medical (which presumably either happens today or early next week).
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Weird they should do this then:

Tottenham have complained to the Premier League over Manchester United and Liverpool's pursuit of Dimitar Berbatov and Robbie Keane.
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Orignall posted by Idlerich
But not all of these non-events are the same. United wanted to keep Ronaldo so at least in theory that's a good result for them, Liverpool wanted to get rid of Alonso but haven't been able to get the price so that's not so good.
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Course, wasn't suggesting they were identical, just that they fit a pattern of high-profile transfers which did seem certain, but now don't.
 
IdleRich

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"The credit crunch comes to the Premiership!"
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Maybe, it could just reflect the declining standards of journalism with bored sports writers happy to print any bit of speculation or stirring from agents as a done deal.
 
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IdleRich said:
Maybe, it could just reflect the declining standards of journalism with bored sports writers happy to print any bit of speculation or stirring from agents as a done deal.
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But journos have done that for years - the merest whiff from an agent, a player or a 'source' is enough for a headline. The transfers mentioned above were all definitely being actively pursued, not matters of speculation.

The credit crunch comes to the Premiership!
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Not if Kaka is coming! Incidentally, don't he and Deco play much the same role? I know small and skillful is all the rage after Spain's Euro win, but can you play both of them in the Premiership?
 
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IdleRich said:
Maybe, it could just reflect the declining standards of journalism with bored sports writers happy to print any bit of speculation or stirring from agents as a done deal.
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I've tried my best to ignore all the bullshit this summer, but there doesn't seem to have been much buying and selling going on....? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
 
IdleRich

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"But journos have done that for years - the merest whiff from an agent, a player or a 'source' is enough for a headline. The transfers mentioned above were all definitely being actively pursued, not matters of speculation."
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Dunno if anyone was pursuing Drogba though were they? It just seemed that he doesn't really want to play for Chelsea and Chelsea don't want him that much and everyone just assumed that someone - possibly Milan - would come in and whisk him away.

"Not if Kaka is coming! Incidentally, don't he and Deco play much the same role? I know small and skillful is all the rage after Spain's Euro win, but can you play both of them in the Premiership?"
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Dunno, but if they get Kaka then maybe he will just make Deco obsolete before he's even started - presumably when they bought him they didn't know there was any chance of Kaka coming. Why would Milan sell him though - isn't he their only player under thirty? Perhaps that's it, they've realised they need a whole new team and this is how they're going to finance it. Can't blame him for wanting CL action anyway.

I've been meaning to ask about Brazilian names for a while. At what age do they get these nicknames and who gives them to them? Also, how come Brazilians are allowed to have nicknames on their shirt while we get stuck with Smith or whatever? Plus, how come Roberto Carlos doesn't have a nickname - and doesn't Kaka mean "shit", who would choose that name?
 
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crackerjack

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IdleRich said:
So the Kaka thing was just a load of bollocks as both clubs have denied that an offer was made - and yet every paper reported it as fact at the weekend. Oh well.
Anyway, in other football news, it looks as though Sir Becks' attempt to be an ambassador for football has lead to the Americans beginning to get a handle on the finer points of the game at last

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2008-07-20-crew-west-ham-friendly_N.htm
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Call that a scrap? There are more security staff than hoolies in that pic.
 
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