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nomadologist
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awesome, thanks for the explanations. where do you buy this stuff? i was basically AWOL from life for two-three years so I'm really dumb about these things, have patience 
Underwater Dancehall
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Slothrop
Tight but Polite
And the chilli was introduced to India by Portugese missionaries or european sailors who got hooked on them in South America. Indeed do many things come to pass.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
And Soca was a big influence on Horsepower Productions, godfathers of (you guessed it) dubstep. Indeed do many things come to pass.don't know about chutney (other than the spices indians put on everything) but soca is trinidad dancehall. usually very bright and sunny, just the happiest music ever
fuck i would kill a pack of nuns for a big plate of JERK CHICKEN right now!!! URGHH!!!!
are you insinuating that... nevermind i need to go to bed.
redcrescent
Well-known member
Gavin OTM about soca
(taken from an old thread)
Chutney soca / soca chutney
(=popular music of the Indo-Caribbean community of Trinidad and Tobago.)
JanuaryinGermany is OTM about bhangra (Punjabi/Sikh/North Indian) and indentured servants in the West Indies (who mainly came from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Bengal and the Madras area/Hindu/Western + Southern India). The early influences for what would later be called chutney soca were Bhajans (devotional songs, sung in Creolized Hindi), Bollywood (filmi) songs/melodies and ghazals (non-devotional 'light entertainment' songs), although the instrumentation is quite similar to bhangra (dhols, dholaks, tablas, tassa drums, sitars, harmoniums, etc.)
A good article on the history of chutney music here.
A very good compilation (budget, too!) is Hot and Spicy Chutney (1998?) on the (now defunct?) Nascente label. Well worth scouring the bargain bins for.
If you drop reggaeton, desi bhangra, vallenato/merengue/bachata, cumbia and/or (obv.) soca, this kind of stuff works great.
Apart from chutney soca, Trini soca (itself the 'pop' form of calypso/kaiso) has produced some amazing fusions:
Rapso (Rap/soca), e.g. Brother Resistance (who, incidentially, is a devout Rastafarian)
Parang (Mix of soca with native Indian guitar-based parang, mostly Spanish lyrics), e.g. Crazy - "Parang Soca"
Jamoo (soca with less bacchanal, more spiritual feel)
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
awesome, thanks for the explanations. where do you buy this stuff? i was basically AWOL from life for two-three years so I'm really dumb about these things, have patience
There are yearly comps just like dancehall... Soca Gold, Soca Vol. 101, (is there a Soca Soca Soca?) etc. Any shop with decent black music should have it. Names to look for: Wayne Wonder, Jamesy... I'm like Zhao, it's mostly too upbeat for me, so I am limited in my knowledge.
redcrescent
Well-known member
awesome, thanks for the explanations. where do you buy this stuff? i was basically AWOL from life for two-three years so I'm really dumb about these things, have patience
From what I've gathered you live in NYC, right? Lucky you, because you probably have the highest concentration of roti shops and steel pan orchestras outside T&T!
Ali's Roti Shop on Fulton Street in Brooklyn is just awesome, go there very, very hungry for a late afternoon snack and sample all the goodies. And it's very close to Coxsone's Music City where they should sort you out with some quality soca.
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
Damn, nice advice! Any hope for Chicago? I know a Jamaican CD shop that's bound to have some soca, but I want the whole T&T experience!
And now that this thread's been totally derailed... does anyone know a Trini MC named Mr. Lee G? I think he is in Montreal now, did a track with Ghislain Poirier that's a chopped version of The Whisper Song -- that was one of my mixtape killers! I could never find much info on him though.
redcrescent
Well-known member
For Gavin: Café Trinidad and Mr Lee G.
Last Bug (Kevin Martin) gig I went to he dropped two or three heavyweight soca bits which nearly took some heads off, but it wasn't a radical departure from the rest of the set.
This makes complete sense to me now that you mention it. I'd definitely like to see more soca/dubstep cross-pollination!Slothrop said:
Last Bug (Kevin Martin) gig I went to he dropped two or three heavyweight soca bits which nearly took some heads off, but it wasn't a radical departure from the rest of the set.
N
nomadologist
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Ahhh, "downtown"...I always get those jamaican patties in my neighborhood but this sounds pretty amazing. Ever been to Crown Heights for the festival?
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Underwater Dancehall = Soaka?
I wouldn't try it with Chutney though - that would just get messy.
I wouldn't try it with Chutney though - that would just get messy.
My only experience of soca-chutney was at a anglo-sri lankan wedding. After all of the usual shite UK wedding music on comes the soca-chutney and suddenly all the aunties are leading a conga around the room.
To add to the scene, in the centre of the hall was case full of ceremonial truncheons that belonged to the police regiment that had repressed the Irish over the years. We all conga-ed around that to this upbeat cheerful music. Surreal!
To add to the scene, in the centre of the hall was case full of ceremonial truncheons that belonged to the police regiment that had repressed the Irish over the years. We all conga-ed around that to this upbeat cheerful music. Surreal!
he's jamaican
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
zhao! empty inbox again!!
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
you just know that they're actually listening to Britney Spears instead of whatever's been dubbed over that. Is that what happens in playgrounds now? Fuckin hell. That first tune is wicked if anyone knows what it is.
i thought it was a dub over too at first, but if you pay attention it's actually the music playing in the school yard. the fade in and outs must be done by the (out of frame) dj.
anyhow pretty inconceivable for Punjabis who are mostly devout Sikhs to be playing Western pop in a public school. and all the young Indians I've ever met are just crazy about their own music - Bhangra. not hard to see or hear why, surely?
Bhangra parties are by far the most outrageoius dance parties i have EVER been to. the moves are so high energy I'm sweating after 20 minutes and by the end just soaked.