Funky/London/UK House

[Ory]

@ luka

it's the glut/clot problem innit. i wouldn't say "nike" is necessarily a bad tune, but it does make one wonder when producers feel the need to make 10 minute wonky/nuum/JA mashups.

 

[mms]

@ luka

it's the glut/clot problem innit. i wouldn't say "nike" is necessarily a bad tune, but it does make one wonder when producers feel the need to make 10 minute wonky/nuum/JA mashups.

think ppl have been reiterating this in the last 3 pages of this thread. i said it best first lol.
the line is very fine i think but then again luka doesn't seem to like any of it!

 

[Simon78]

I'm not really into that sort of stuff. I thought it was called Future Garage though?

I haven't really been buying much Funky recently as there doesn't seem to be anything I like out and none of the producers seem to be writing anything that sounds like the stuff that first got me into it in the first place. I'm sure there are some good tunes about but none of them are getting released. The stuff in the set Luka just put up are good but you are only getting those tunes if you know the producers, they aren't coming out.

These are the only bits I have bought recently and they are all from last year:
Sticky - Jumeirah EP
Riverside - Lil Silva Remix
Bangkok - Roska Remix
Champion - Tribal Affair
Fis-T - Night Hunter & Deep Mover


Champion - Tribal Affair
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http://rhythmdivision.co.uk/DJ-Champion-Motherboard-Tribal-Affair/prod_1396.html

I like this Lil Silva refix as well. Its by some people I have been chatting to on Soundcloud. Its up as a free download if you go to their page. If you like their stuff send them a message and they will sort you out with some more tunes, they are sound.

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[gumdrops]

i tend to agree with lukas last few points. i dont even like that pearson sound stuff too much (though i do like some ramadanman tunes, dusk/blackdown played a great one yesterday). it sounds a bit soft. or a bit of a mess. i kinda blame burial for a lot of the hessle/pangea/greena/untold sounding stuff (though i love burials 1st album). id actually prefer if half these guys stopped trying to make what they do danceable cos rhythmically a lot of it is a bit deficient. they might be better off going the proper idm route. a lot of what was played on the blackdown show last night, melodically had some really nice darkstar-type ideas but beatwise, most of it wasnt as good.

all that aside, i heard some d malice remix last night on some other station that was like some insane VIPxVIP mix of gabrielle - did this ever come out?

edit - i realise half of what ive written could/should be in the dubstep post, but its hard to tell sometimes.

 

[RJ5000]

sorry but when has pangaea ever done a funky tune? am i missing something?

 

[gumdrops]

ok not him, just the guys i associate as being in that circle.

actually, i find it funny that people label grime artists as being fickle when they 'jump ship' but when dubstep producers start to go over to house to the point where their dubstep influences are virtually invisible, its seen as somehow something more praiseworthy.

 

[Tentative Andy]

but at the same time, they dont own the board and if you dont feel free to say what you tihnk here there is no point contributing, no matter how tentative you are. so its difficult, but i think essentailly, you just have to say, fuck it, i'll say what i think.

Oh yeah for sure, I've learnt to do this, but I at the same time I do feel the need to express any negative opinions in a very polite, carefully formalised way, rather than posting some immediate visercal response to a tune like 'this is a load of shit' or whatever - because unfortunately this can get misconstrued as trolling or being personally insulting to someone. In a way it's useful that you have to things this way, I guess, in that it forces you to really think in detail about why you don't like a particular tune, what about it doesn't work, rather than just going with the gut reaction.

All that aside, I'm happy to say that I do like a fair ammount of stuff that falls in that broad dubstep-house category. Maybe in a few years it will be seen as something uncool, but whatever, I'm enjoying it now. But in the name of full disclosure, here's a few things I would associate with this style that I'm not fully convinced by:
-Julio Bashmore, there just seems to be nothing much interesting going on in his tracks, they sort of drift by. Likewise Hackman, but to a bit of a lesser extent.
- I've said before that I'm not massively keen on Kode 9's house-influenced tunes, though some are better than others. But they seem a bit predictable, like the house bits are just tacked on and haven't really added anything to his sound. Not very keen on Zomby's house bits either, but it's early doors for him. I do think that beat-wise he is better at working with variations on the halfstep though.
- At first I thought the drum-experiment tracks by Bakongo/Roska and Scratcha were a bit dry and empty, but the Scratcha ones in particular have grown on me.
-Although some of Bok Bok's productions are cool, some of them sound overly stiff in the beats to me. But then I don't think his production style really has much to do with dubstep, it's maybe more his audience and the other people he associates with that link him to this.
-Greena's tunes seem just a wee bit dull, but I def haven't heard enough of them to judge. As far as Mosca goes, Nike sounds a bit all over the place, although, and doesn't obviously have much to do with house as I hear it. But I still think Square One is a fantastic tune, and qualifies as a funky tune in my interpretation - it's in the beats.

That's it, as far as I remember. And there's lots of things in broadly similar territory like Pearson Sound, Deadboy, Jam City that I think are great.

 

[alex]

@ gumdrops, can’t really see that as being a fair comparison, the grime heads who “jump ship” go to the commercial platform and forget where they came from (I assume you are on about chipmunk, kano etc..if not then this is irrelevant). The Dubstep heads who you say go to house, on the contrary, are still using the common ground of values that Dubstep USED to represent. Not conforming to a pallet of sounds or tempo, and making music they feel is fitting to the genre move at present. If you are on about grime heads jumping to road rap then I can’t comment, as I don’t really follow a lot of road rap.

 

[UFO over easy]

actually, i find it funny that people label grime artists as being fickle when they 'jump ship' but when dubstep producers start to go over to house to the point where their dubstep influences are virtually invisible, its seen as somehow something more praiseworthy.

you need to figure out who it is you're attacking. most of the producers you appear to be talking about have barely spoken in public and have had one or two releases at most. you don't have the necessary information to be making any assumptions about their backgrounds or intentions

this doesn't really have anything to do with you not enjoying the music

 

[alex]

Will say though, that I have gone off Funky/Hybrid’s completely, and am now officially immersed in a sea of tech house.

 

[luka]

youre not the only one from what ive been hearing alex....
mind you i wouldnt recognise tech house if it mugged me for my mobile
just whispers in the wind and that..

 

[slackk]

Couple of quick tunes;

Low quality Nutty Riddim bootleg
http://www.mediafire.com/?3jmeh5jkzhj

Unfinished and Untitled, this, 192
http://www.mediafire.com/?gt4ybzjvyyz

 

[4linehaiku]

Got round to reading that Devine Recordings article yesterday, great stuff as always Tim F. Very pleased to discover the ID for that 'House Girls Part 1' tune. One of my absolute favourites from that infamous Mac10 and Marcus Nasty set from whenever it was. Would be great if it comes out.

Not got much to comment on the meta-funky grumblings, don't really care to be honest. This though:

it's the glut/clot problem innit. i wouldn't say "nike" is necessarily a bad tune, but it does make one wonder when producers feel the need to make 10 minute wonky/nuum/JA mashups.

is just silly. "feel the need"? Really? Has the malevolent Hyperdub / Night Slugs axis got poor innocent Mosca locked in a basement somewhere, forcing him to make "10 minute wonky/nuum/JA mashups" for their own twisted amusement? Or maybe he just happens to have written a tune he likes. That takes influence from other music he likes. Kind of similar to, you know, most producers.
Apologies if I have missed your point, but it just struck me as really weird wording.

 

[slackk]

I think the main criticism I have, basically, is that everything has got a bit tasteful. I preferred it when sets were mad and all over the place and sounded like 130bpm grime in places.

But then I dislike a lot of things.

 

[alex]

I suppose most of what I have been listening to/playing would come under Tech House, although it’s not the jumped up hype shit like Laidback Luke, Sven Vath etc play, its more the cool, jacking, kick/clap, vocal sample stuff, hard minimal cut samples, with big sub-bass b’lines. ‘Sold my soul’ by Steve Mac would be a perfect example, also on a lighter note “Direct” by Kris Wadsworth. A lot of it would probably sound boring to the majority of you 

Also, in contrast to these, my playlist’s are also full of tribal-esque sounds, real percussive, eastern vocals. Again, with big, jacking, kick/clap minimal samples, all under a tough sub-bass b’line. “Trust The Drum”By underground collective would be a perfect example of this.

I mean a lot of people would probably think the stuff I play is boring, dated and what they were listening to 10+ years ago, but then +10 years ago I had only discovered Garage, through old school tapes etc.. I was only 11. My vast journey in the exploration of house has only just begun, be gentle with me!

 

[4linehaiku]

It's a gateway drug, innit? Funky comes along, fooling the 'House is boring' crowd with its low-hanging Nuum fruit. Then before you know it the kids are listening to normal 'tasteful' House music! Or maybe they're listening to Road Rap, I've got no idea really.

 

[alex]

One Night In NYC Ricardo Vilalobos Remix The Horrorist, Ricardo Villalobos

try telling me that is "tasteful" lol (not a send by the way, just a joke, but seriously, check that tune, the intro is joke)

 

[tom lea]

those cod reggae affectations must make some of you squirm with embaressment.

mosca in that piece i did: “My old man is Sean Reid. He did Beenie Man’s ‘Reverse Di Ting’, Elephant Man’s ‘Gully Creepa’, Tifa’s ‘Dem Nuh Ready’, the Outada, Zero Tolerance, So Sick and Survival Mode riddims amongst many others.”

so its not like hes putting it on.

 

[tom lea]

i kinda blame burial for a lot of the hessle/pangea/greena/untold sounding stuff

oh for fuck's sake

 

[alex]

i blame burial for the bus driver not letting me on the other day...(well actually it was because my oyster didnt have any p on it, will is still a prick though)