Max Mosley

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
And if so, how much would they pay? (Home office offical's eyes light up)

You jest, but prisoners in this country used to have to pay for their lodgings. Which seems a bit odd: what are they gonna do if you don't cough up - send you to prison? Although what would probably happen is, you'd get moved to the very shittiest part of the prison, I guess.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member

matt b

Indexing all opinion
You jest, but prisoners in this country used to have to pay for their lodgings. Which seems a bit odd: what are they gonna do if you don't cough up - send you to prison? Although what would probably happen is, you'd get moved to the very shittiest part of the prison, I guess.

fees for board and lodgings are now taken out of any damages an individual gets for wrongful imprisonment, iirc
 

STN

sou'wester
Staying in the prison was free, I believe. Food, booze, bedsheets etc were not.
 

mms

sometimes
what is a nazi style orgy were nazis known for a particular style of orgiastic behaviour?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Did anyone buy today's (well, yesterday's, by the time you read this) Guardian? The G2 supplement's cover feature was about Mosley, and the image on the front was of a 'gimped' letter 'g' and number '2'.

Firefox spellchecker recognises the word 'gimped'. This pleases me far more than it should.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Surely its illegal to film someone having sex. It's hardly in the public interest is it? What is the paper's defence?"
I think that they are trying to rely on the crazy fact that s&m which draws blood is apparently illegal - although I don't know how you can film someone having sex on the off chance that they do something illegal while they're at it. They're also saying it's in the public interest because he is a public figure and presumably they think it becomes of greater public interest if they can demonstrate that he is a nazi. I reckon that they are in trouble to be honest - from the court report in the papers today it sounded as though they were very much on the defensive.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Are they in double trouble because they actually filmed him in the act, or because it's not a matter of public interest (as in, 'the public good' rather than 'things which interest the public', swhich this certainly does)?

And if he wins on the public interest argument, where does this leave the Jude cheated on Sadie with the babysitter school of journalism?
 
Are they in double trouble because they actually filmed him in the act, or because it's not a matter of public interest (as in, 'the public good' rather than 'things which interest the public', swhich this certainly does)?

This is an interesting point- usually when you hear such things reported the wording is "in the public interest". but as far as i'm aware, the current precedent-setting case in Europe was brought by Princess Caroline and if you look at that case as reported the wording is "A public interest", which as crackerjack says is a very different matter, and that's the interpretative direction we seem to be slipping in. clearly there is A public interest here but like many others its a prurient one. that's why the whole thing hangs on the nazi angle- Mosely is a public figure of sorts and that can be seen to have political implications. personally i think whoever he is the law should not be discriminatory and he has a right to his own private sex life. it wouldn't be a big surprise (to Freud) if he DID have a nazi fetish given his parenting and anyone whose hung around with these kinda people knows that corny nazi bullshit is just a standard part of the S&M "toolkit"...i wouldn't have thought there's much more behind it than standard issue "transgression", and either way i don't see why it's anyone's business but his and those involved. I've heard some interesting stories from hookers hereabouts concerning "visits" when the labour party conference is in town...
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"either way i don't see why it's anyone's business but his and those involved."
Basically, that's the nub of the matter isn't it? As far as I can see, the newspaper has paid someone to film someone getting their rocks off and printed it for the world to see (possibly exaggerating it to make is seem nastier) and are desperately using some spurious idea of public interest as a fig leaf.

"I've heard some interesting stories from hookers hereabouts concerning "visits" when the labour party conference is in town..."
Go on then - please tell me Gordon Brown loves to have his testicles stamped on by a woman dressed as Margaret Thatcher.
 

viktorvaughn

Well-known member
I think that they are trying to rely on the crazy fact that s&m which draws blood is apparently illegal - although I don't know how you can film someone having sex on the off chance that they do something illegal while they're at it. They're also saying it's in the public interest because he is a public figure and presumably they think it becomes of greater public interest if they can demonstrate that he is a nazi. I reckon that they are in trouble to be honest - from the court report in the papers today it sounded as though they were very much on the defensive.

I hope the paper get utterly fucked, It's nobodies business what crazy shizzle adults get up to behind closed doors. All this Nazi stuff is a smoke screen - so what even if he did have one? They are blatantly smearing his character and relying upon the fact his dad was a fascist to cloud peoples opinions regarding a gross invasion of privacy.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
I hope the paper get utterly fucked, It's nobodies business what crazy shizzle adults get up to behind closed doors. All this Nazi stuff is a smoke screen - so what even if he did have one? They are blatantly smearing his character and relying upon the fact his dad was a fascist to cloud peoples opinions regarding a gross invasion of privacy.

Can't they both lose?
 

mos dan

fact music
Did anyone buy today's (well, yesterday's, by the time you read this) Guardian? The G2 supplement's cover feature was about Mosley, and the image on the front was of a 'gimped' letter 'g' and number '2'.

i did. 'what does the max mosley case say about the british attitude to sex?' was the strapline i think. i didn't really have much interest in the answer to this question so i didn't read it. should i bother retrieving it from the recycling?

now oswald mosley, now there's an interesting 'character'.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I read it but it wasn't very interesting. Just a few bits and bobs about how mild s&m is a common and harmless part of the spectrum of human sexuality, some stuff saying that people who are into it aren't necessarily fucked up (apparently this is surprisingly to a lot of people) and how a lot of the guys and gals on the scene are really nice normal people. Think that's about it to be honest.
 
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